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- July 22, 2010 at 00:13 #307844
Just heard an interview with Tony Noonan. Sounds like he’s not all there, or doesn’t know what he’s doing, but I think it is more a case of not making one’s mind up until one has to.
Buccellati has been in Doomben, Queensland for 4 months, mainly so that he doesn’t miss the English Summer, and has a nice coat, it being warmer there. Has been in work 3 months! Will have a race or two in Sydney, and then head to Melbourne for the Cox Plate, with also a Melbourne Cup entry.
Not all there if he’s running Buccellati in a Cox Plate.
July 22, 2010 at 04:38 #307846Yes, I still associate the horse with running well in handicaps, but not winning.
July 22, 2010 at 11:31 #307882
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I guess the fact that’s he’s won around a track like Chester has inpsired them to try the Cox Plate. I’ve seen worse animals go round in the race and it might not be very strong this year. I guess they want to win the MC so are avoiding Caulfield and any risk of a penalty.
The dumbest thing I’ve ever known Tony Noonan to do is employ Rocket Douglas as his foreman. That brainless coat puller pinched his #1 client in the process.
Andy, Shamoline Warrior worked well at Flemington over five furlongs on Tuesday morning. He’s building up very nicely. Just stick with him if you’re even vaguely considering Monaco Consul. He has that animals measure by lengths for mine and will be much better handicapped.
July 22, 2010 at 11:45 #307885I’ve got a real soft spot for Monaco Consul.
He was part of the massive spring I had last year – I’m still kicking myself though, the day the Spring Champion market came out I went and had two doubles.
Monaco Consul into Manhattan Rain in the Cox
So You Think into Manhattan Rain in the CoxThis was despite the fact I had backed So You Think at 150s in the Cox Plate.
My thinking was that Manhattan Rain would head there if he ran alright in the Caulfield Guineas, as he was already a G1 winner and Gai had stated that she wanted to give him his chance.
But I thought that So You Think would need to win the Spring Champion to target the Cox Plate.
How annoying in hindsight! I could have had Monaco Consul in the Spring Champion at 71s, his opening price, into So You Think at 71s (he had come in after his first up run).
Still kicking myself.
At least I had won when SYT won the Cox Plate, that was a personal greatest moment in racing.
Anyway, watching his runs in the VRC Derby and AJC Derby, he looks the right type for a Melbourne Cup for mine.
Shamoline Warrior may be too brilliant for mine.
July 22, 2010 at 13:09 #307904I wasn’t trying to run Buccellati down too much, it is just that as a 3yo he seemed to run on telly all the time in h’caps, and I had difficulty adjusting my mindset when he emerged as a Group performer.
July 22, 2010 at 14:21 #307916Sorry, couldn’t find a picture of her in an orange swimsuit, running across Bondi beach.
JUST A BLAZE (Race 4, 1500m, 2.00pm, No. 3, rider Mark Newnham, 57kg): This gelding is a lovely style of stayer with a wonderful loping stride. The distance here first up will not prove a problem with this son of The Gladiator as Mark will have him bowling along in his own rhythm. Hard to hold in his first stepping stone to Cups races in the future.
Cups races means Cups in general, and not specifically C & M ?
July 22, 2010 at 14:39 #307919
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Yes Gerald it’s a general term with many Cups races coming up over the next few months in country NSW and Vic as well as C&M. These include Wyong, Newcastle, Cranbourne, Moe, Geelong, Benella, Werribee, Bendigo and Ballarat. Some are after the MC. Andy will fill in any I’ve forgotten.
July 22, 2010 at 14:47 #307920
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Interesting you think SW is too brilliant Andy given his dour half brother whose sire had a similar racing profile to Shamaradal. The dam is obviously a strong contributor to their stamina.
My mail for SW last spring was that he would not hit his best before reaching 2000m. He did that at his last start very convincingly in a manner that justified a short price for the Derby. I believe he would have won that race easily.
Unfortunately SW missed that race and the autumn due to an allergy that has now been resolved. Shocking had previously suffered a similar allergic reaction in the same yard. It didn’t adversely affect his future. One thing the history of the MC teaches you is that once a trainer has won it they’re a damn good chance to repeat the effort.
July 22, 2010 at 14:50 #307921Okay, thanks Chiswickian.
Further news on Jeremy Gask’s hope:-
Tuesday 15th July- North, East & Over The Irish Sea
We head to Ireland tonight to run Shahwardi at Leopardstown in the listed race over 14 furlongs. The Lando colt is still being targeted at The Melbourne Cup and we are hoping he can follow on from the career-best effort he produced at Newmarket last time out, when he placed third in a listed race, tying with Man Of Iron. He carries a 3lb penalty for an earlier listed win in France but we are hoping for a big run form him under Steve Drowne. The race is due off at 9.05.
Shahwardi came 6th out of 7 to Profound Beauty, beaten 11 lengths, so I wouldn’t have thought he’d be heading to Melbourne in that kind of form, even if it is already qualified. Has an Ebor entry. I’ll see if Gask commented on the horse afterwards . . .
July 22, 2010 at 15:01 #307925Cups Campaign For Derby Placegetter
Written by Carl Di Iorio Thursday, 22 July 2010 15:10Red Colossus, pictured winning the Listed Chairman’s Stakes (2014m) at Morphettville in March, is back in work.
Runner-up from May’s Group One South Australian Derby (2500m), Red Colossus, has returned to the Cranbourne stables of Greg Eurell ahead of an optimistic spring campaign.
The son of Testa Rossa is set to be aimed at the Caulfield and Melbourne Cup.
“We’ll be looking at the Cups no doubt,” stable foreman John Baker told the Virtual Formguide before insisting, “He has been entered for all the good races."
Red Colossus won three consecutive races last preparation – two of those victories in stakes company – before suffering an agonising defeat in the SA Derby to the Peter Snowden-trained Kidnapped.
“He’s done four weeks pre-training but today he’s returned to be back in full work,” he said.
“He did a very good job last prep.
“He learnt a hell of a lot stepping up from midweek to Group 1 company in the space of a couple of months,” Baker added.
Baker noted that jockey Chris Symons was keen to renew his association with the rising four-year-old in the hope of claiming an elusive Group 1 victory.
No firm decision has been made on what race Red Colossus will contest first-up but Baker assures that, “Knowing the horse it’d be a race over 1300 or 1400 metres.”
“We’ll see his best once he steps up beyond a mile.”
Boasting a record of four wins and a second from 10 starts, Red Colossus has won $194,163 in prizemoney.
edit: Was feeling rather smug with myself, having found this on page 18 of a google search, only to subsequently discover that Andy had already posted it 11 or so hours earlier on TBV. My excuses are that I was sleeping and working.
July 23, 2010 at 07:05 #308025Carl is a friend of mine – he was the first person I talked to at TBV Gerald, so I always read his articles.
More news – six Lloyd Williams gallopers had a trial yesterday between races at Bendigo.
They were Alandi, Mourayan (don’t know what the rumour was there, perhaps it WAS true that Mourilyan has died), Grand Ducal, Efficient (please, please be alright on Tuesday November 2), Linton, and perhaps most intriguingly, C’est La Guerre.
I say CLG is intriguing because I thought he had left the Williams stables to go back to NZ
July 23, 2010 at 07:06 #308026Snowden looking forward to Spring Carnival
Leading Sydney trainer Peter Snowden is excited to discover what the spring has in store.
Snowden, who trains for Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum’s Darley outfit, has six or seven horses that he believes can measure up in the spring.
Daily Telegraph racing editor Ray Thomas spoke to Snowden about his spring team.
Group 1 South Australian Derby winner Kidnapped is head of the team, with the Melbourne Cup a logical target.
“He is a far better horse the Melbourne way, he gets all tangled up in his action going the Sydney direction,” Snowden said.
“He’s gone straight to our Melbourne stables and he will be aimed at the Cups.”
Dual Group 1 winner Purple has enjoyed a good spell.
“She will bounce back in the spring.”
“I don’t know about a Cups campaign but we will just see how she is going and find the right races for her.”
Lightly raced colt Demerit is heading the right way after a decent spell.
He has had only six starts, with a win in last year’s Caulfield Guineas Prelude (1400m) and a third in the weight for age Canterbury Stakes (1300m) his most notable results.
Classy mare Beaded had a Queensland winter campaign, and will only have a light spring preparation.
“She warms the heart because she tries so hard and I would love to see her win a good race,” Snowden said.
Snowden believes the enigmatic Drumbeats is set to reach his full potential this campaign.
“We have always held a good opinion of him.”
“The Epsom looks right up his alley, and then maybe Melbourne again.”
Rounding out Snowden’s main hopes is juvenile Skilled, who demonstrated he was one of the top two year olds of the 2009-10 season with a very close second in the Group 1 AJC Sires Produce Stakes (1400m) before a dominant victory in the Group 1 Champagne Stakes (1600m).
“He has gone within an inch of being champion two year old.”
“We are aiming him at the Caulfield Guineas.”
Of course, Snowden hopes that one of his many horses may emerge as a spring carnival contender in the next few weeks.
Written by Andrew Hawkins
July 23, 2010 at 13:20 #308068I’ve got an angle on the Mourayan/Mourilyan mystery. In a google search last week I came across a death notice in the Herald I think, about someone who lived in Mourilyan (or Mourayan).
July 23, 2010 at 14:55 #308085Gaiwatch
This isn’t supposed to be a daily feature, but she’s provided a training tip:-
Mirror mirror on the wall who is the fairest horse of all?? Yes I have just installed two mirrors for the charges who fancy themselves to stand in front of. I first saw this in England at Sir Mark Prescott’s, a gentleman who has the great ability of improvising with different devices to stop box walking, crip biting and the like. Well Ten Seconds (who has no quirks but it just so happened that his box was best placed to house the permanent fixture,) has always been a gorgeous thing and I think he might think so too. Since the mirror has been installed he won’t leave his new friend and stands near him all day.
July 23, 2010 at 15:02 #308086Champion Hong Kong Miler Able One and a couple of horses from Macau will be the first to arrive from abroad on 28th August. Anyone know anything about the Macau adventurers?
July 23, 2010 at 19:28 #308113I noticed a couple of days ago that
Pop Rock
has an entry in the Irish St Leger. Didn’t notice a change of trainer though.

Anyway, the horse is going to have a circumnavigation of the South Downs!
Pop Rock, second in the Melbourne Cup in 2006, figures among the 19 entries for the Group 2 Artemis Goodwood Cup. The one-time leading Japanese performer may travel over from Ireland for Curragh-based trainer Takashi Kodama, who is starting out on his second spell as a trainer in Ireland following a brief stint with a licence five years ago.
Kodama said: "I have entered Pop Rock in the Artemis Goodwood Cup and the race is an option for him as things stand, along with the Group 3 Coutts Glorious Stakes the following day. He also holds an entry in a conditions race at Galway next week but, as long as everything is fine, I would like to run him at Goodwood.
"He is in good form at the moment – he is a nine-year-old but still looks fresh – and he worked very well last Tuesday. Mick Kinane and Fran Berry ride work on him and they said that he is good enough for Galway, but I was too scared to ask them if he was up to Group level.
"Pop Rock was one of the top horses in Japan but his form over the past couple of years has not been up to the same level. There are also fewer opportunities for stayers in Japan and so I asked the owners to let him come over and they were very keen to have some fun with him in Europe."
July 23, 2010 at 19:33 #308114Now, we could get the last four seconds in the Melbourne Cup meeting over here, instead of in Australia!

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