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- July 18, 2010 at 19:05 #307153
However, I’ve also started using the ratings in the racingandsports website (Don Scott Rating graph?), but I can only look up 100 of those a day.
There are also the Timeform ratings of Australian horses on that site. I don’t think of them as particularly accurate, but that’s just my opinion.
As for the 100 a day thing, I know when I’ve been searching for a horses form that if I clear the browsing history and cookies and return that it sets it back to 0. I don’t know if the same applies to what you’re doing, Gerald.
July 18, 2010 at 19:13 #307154Thanks very much, Jose, but I don’t
want
to do more than 100 a day.

Can’t see any Timeform figures there, but I’ll see tomorrow whether I can access them via betfair.
July 18, 2010 at 19:29 #307157
Just noticed the separate button to click on for Timeform on the racingandsports site. I earlier thought you meant I could see the timeform rating on the individual horse record.July 18, 2010 at 22:15 #307176Query – so if you have written no next to their name, it means they aren’t qualified?
July 19, 2010 at 00:13 #307183Yes.
And the ones in black/grey I haven’t come to a final conclusion yet. They are the ones I’ll do first, this afternoon.
July 19, 2010 at 00:35 #307184Thanks. I thought Kibbutz had passed it, but turns out he hadn’t!!! Surprising.
I thought his 4th in the MV Cup would have got him over the line, but no.
Zabrasive has qualified, he won $65000 for running 4th in the AJC Derby which qualified him.
Nom du Jeu has been retired to stud.
Horses in the order of entry which I believe are unlikely to be seen this spring are:
Hume
Mr Clangtastic
Roman Emperor (not sure about that, but I’d heard some suggestions that he was to be retired)
Savarain
Light Vision
Gallica (retired)
Miss Maren (retired)
Road to Rock (retired)July 19, 2010 at 04:06 #307187In addition to which are the two Kiwis mentioned earlier in the thread. My Scotsgrey is recovering from a tendon, and Passchendaele from a cracked cannon bone. One of them may be seen this Spring, but I can’t remember which, but I’d have thought they’re unlikely to be at their best.
July 19, 2010 at 06:31 #307189Hmmm Racenet announced Miss Maren’s retirement a while ago, but she’s with a new trainer in her native land (NZ). Interesting…
July 19, 2010 at 11:07 #307225
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I have it on good authority that numerous Cups chances are scheduled to jump out at Flemington on the 30th.
July 19, 2010 at 13:24 #307246Japan Closer To Melbourne Cup Start
Monday, 19 July 2010Efforts to allow Japanese horses to enter Australia for this year’s Melbourne Cup are gathering pace with Australian officials this week inspecting Japanese facilities.
With time fast running out it seemed unlikely Japanese horses would have the suitable approval to contest this year’s historic 150th running of the Melbourne Cup in November.
But the Australian government has made some big inroads in the past weeks and on Wednesday will inspect the three Japanese quarantine facilities of Miho, Tokyo and Nakayama for approval.
Japanese horses haven’t been allowed into Australia since the EI outbreak in 2007 and cutting through the red tape and protocols has been a frustrating process for Racing Victoria and the Victoria Racing Club, but the end is seemingly in sight.
Nominations for the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups close on August 1 with a few Japanese trainers keen to make the trip.
July 19, 2010 at 13:29 #307248Gai gets serious about Melbourne Cup bid
* AAP
* Monday, 19 July 2010Sydney trainer Gai Waterhouse has boosted the numbers of stayers in her stable as she chases her first Melbourne Cup win.
Australia’s most famous race is back on Gai Waterhouse’s spring radar for the first time in five years.
Waterhouse revealed during a busy barrier trial session at Randwick on Monday that her recent absence from the Melbourne Cup limelight was an unwanted glitch on an otherwise outstanding training career.
"I sat there and watched the race last year without a runner and I said to myself ‘it won’t happen again’," she said.
Waterhouse hasn’t had a Melbourne Cup starter since Mr Celebrity beat one horse home in 2005.
It’s a major anomaly for a trainer who almost enjoyed instant success in the race when her rugged New Zealand-bred stayer Te Akau Nick was runner-up in Vintage Crop’s historic 1993 triumph.
After another second placing with Nothin’ Leica Dane two years later, it appeared it would only be a matter of time before Waterhouse went one better.
Yet for one of Australia’s biggest stables, it seems remarkable that Tulloch Lodge has been represented just five times since Nothin’ Leica Dane finished fifth in the 1996 edition.
As Herculian Prince and Descarado impressed with their public returns at Randwick, Waterhouse said stayers were at the forefront of her stable’s spring plans – just in time for the 150th renewal of the Melbourne Cup.
"I went through a period where I found staying-bred horses were hard to sell," she said.
"My clients just weren’t interested.
"But this year I made an executive decision to buy a dozen yearlings in New Zealand – colts and fillies – who would get over ground."
In tried ex-New Zealanders like Herculian Prince and Descarado, Waterhouse has gone retro.
Much of her early success after being licensed in 1992 came on the back of no-nonsense New Zealand horses who thrived on a conditioning program made famous by her father Tommy Smith.
Herculian Prince, who was unbeaten through the Sydney autumn, beat another stablemate who hails from across the Tasman Sea, Two For Tea, and the stable’s weight-for-age star Theseo in a 1200-metre heat.
Descarado, runner-up to Shoot Out in this year’s AJC Australian Derby, came from well off the pace in his 1200-metre hit-out to finish third behind Cannonball, the former United States sprinter now racing out of the Waterhouse yard.
"Herculian Prince and Descarado will be two of about six horses I am aiming at the Melbourne Cup this year," Waterhouse said.
July 19, 2010 at 13:37 #307250Probably another one to add to the doubtful list. I posted this on betfair a few months ago, but never got around to doing it here:-
Heroine struggles with tendon
* Adrian Dunn
* Wednesday, 16 December 2009THE future of expensive import Unsung Heroine, runner-up in last year’s English St Leger, is in doubt.
Trainer David Hayes said Unsung Heroine was "still in a bit of strife" after a tendon injury that became infected.
Unsung Heroine was bought in England last December for $2.4 million with the Melbourne Cup her goal.
However after her first run for Hayes, in an unsuitable 1700m race at Flemington in September, it was discovered the mare had injured a tendon.
Worse news followed.
"She got golden staph in the tendon and she’s lost quite a bit of her mobility," Hayes said at Caulfield races yesterday.
July 20, 2010 at 06:48 #307433Yeah, she’s out.
I wonder who else Gai has going towards the Melbourne Cup.
July 20, 2010 at 13:08 #307500Erm, I was hoping you would tell
me
. .
July 20, 2010 at 14:49 #307544I think 6 is a bit fanciful, when one of the main 2 isn’t qualified yet.
Presumably Tea for Two is one of them, even though he is only a 6f mdn winner so far.
Maybe Theseo, after he wins the Cox Plate???
Bianca? Coming back from injury, or is she retired in foal?
If there are any Kiwi 3yos MIA, presumably they’ll resurface with her.
Gai has got a couple of Zabeel colts available for syndication, but presumably they’re Yearlings?
July 20, 2010 at 14:54 #307549
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Yes they’ll be 2yos in two weeks G.
I’ve asked a few people but nobody seems to know who the "missing" four might be. I certainly wouldn’t be adding Theseo to any list of possibles.
July 20, 2010 at 15:13 #307551Got one! Took six runs to win its Maiden.

1st April
Most exciting news this morning, a new staying star arrived at Tulloch. Steve Dennett piped, "I cannot ride that he bucks like mad", so I called upon pony Tim, Craig Messenger, and Frank to lunge him first, and with this
TULLAMORE
(Savabeel) was officially introduced to Randwick
Craig commented what a magnificent stride this gelding has. Rob identified this horse through doing his form in New Zealand and he is currently an orphan with no owners. Rob is confident he can follow in hoof-prints of Descarado and Herculian Prince.
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