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What do people think of Westphalia running in this?
I’ve always thought of him as the type to go for the French Guineas rather than the English. Pretty impressive last time out when running on very well at Doncaster to nab Zacinto on the line.
However, i’m also firmly on the Master
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It is quite amazing how efficient you profess to be as an ante-post punter, GWILSON77, almost a year after the race in question. I hate to tell you but we can all pick winners after that length of time (in fact I must be twice as good as I claimed to have backed Henrythenavigator after only six months).
As for your claims that Bulwark couldn’t get a job at Timeform – are we to believe that you could?
I would suggest that your comments regarding the length of Mastercraftsman’s stride have been taken from Aiden O’Brien’s own observations following his victory in the Railway Stakes, but his pedigree does lend credence to the argument that he’s very much suited to faster ground. That said he has far from a daisy-cutting action – if that were true, there’s no way he would have won the National Stakes in heavy ground. He seems to fall somewhere in between.
Naaqoos on the other hand would seem to have the perfect action for genuinely good ground. The fact that he raced keenly at Longchamp when beating Mastercraftsman doesn’t help in attempting to identify exactly what sort of action he has, but he certainly lifts his knee high enough to make me believe that fast ground could be an issue. He does reach a long way though and there’s nothing, on breeding, which suggests he needs it soft.
EQUITRACK, You are certainly well named, as that is about the level of
horse that you equate to! you wouldn"t remember Dancing Brave or Miesque as i reckon you would have been sitting on your potty about that time filling it with what now comes out your mouth! Hows that for an experienced guess? Talking to you about Ante-post bets is a bit like a racing driver explaining to a 5yo about what the clutch does on a car! For the record though take a look at Geralds Lincoln thread and you will see
it was i the Ante-post king who 1st put up Expresso Star and Zaahid as
potential Lincoln winners at 10/1 and 16/1 respectively! I dont need to mention others as its all down in the forum! I shall take it as a compliment
that Aidan O Brien agrees that Mastercraftsman has a giant stride but even
a plonker like you should see that! Anyway lets see some foresight from
you and give me 3 horses for the Derby or even 1 for the Oaks or what about a long range St Leger type? i suggest Jukebox jury as a Leger horse
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You do make me chuckle.
Putting up Expresso Star was highly imaginative though – you must have been the only one on.
And who, or what, are Dancing Brave and Miesque? I’m guessing the former was the sidekick in The Lone Ranger, but you’ve lost me with the other one.
As I said earlier my problem with Mastercraftsmen is you could run a bus through his form. Hemay be rated thetop 2yo but accoriding to what I have read at a very low mark.
We now have Delegator as 2nd fav which adds to my theory that they are one moderate bunch by 2000 guneas standards.
This horse won an 8.000 quid race by1 length by from a horse who as probably in need of a race and was beaten again next time out. He went on to win a moderate contest but that sort of form you can find at Hamilton Park on a Tuesday.
Delegator then finished close up 5th in a race where a few of Mastercraftsman’s opponents ran including Intense forcus and Shaweel with Rip Van Winkle behind. His great gallop that led to him being backed was against what? Has his trainer got horses who work well enough at home to judge how good he is?
He no doubt worked with Crowded House last season and was the so called stable star then but he may be no more than a talking horse who can’t repeat it on the track.
An OAB horse 9/2 fav against this lot stinks to the high heavens and I doubt if the trainer has 1/10th of the confidence you have GW but then he wouldn’t need to be anything special to beat them on any form shown to date.
However, when you get bunch of horses like this running all over the top of each other you invariably get a shock result, hence his generous price.
BTW you are doing well with the Fist slagging but I’ll let it go as you are doing a great job of making a complete dick of yourself without me chipping in.
As far as you being the AP king that’s the laugh of the centuary. Takes more than one race to crack it on this forum laddy.
I like a sense of humour, as a lot of my threads contain but obviously
"The Twins" dont get it! It intrigues me as to why "Dumber and dumber" have had to change their names in order to come back to the forum and as to why they left in the first place, i can smell weakness at a 100 paces!This is no world beater, this is a false favourite who will most liely not win the guineas. He is certainly not outstanding according to AOB who said today he wouldn’t like to put his in pecking order.
That may be because AOB is **** at getting them right. How far down was Dylan Thomas in his 2006 Derby pecking order? He overrated Duke of Marmalade last year, probably wouldn`t have split Henry and Jupiter Pluvious before last year`s 2000 and no doubt would have chosen Hawk Wing over High Chapparal in their Derby.
Wouldn’t argue with much there mate. The man has so many good horses working together it must be almost impossible to predict how good some of them are until they get on the racecourse. Something that was reflected in the price of Henry in last years guineas.
I doubt if he overrated DOM but the punters certainly did. DOM was a decent horse but by pure chance he won six Group 1’s that can only be described as moderate. I think I am right in saying not one horse that finished 2nd to him went on to win next time out which is unusual to say the least.
Personally I never gave him a hope in hell of winning the Arc and I doubt if OAB did either.
Aristo,
Pleased to hear that you are safe after the little local difficulties in your neck of the woods.
KenCheers Ken, actually we’ve had two great days of celebration being the Thai New Year (Songran water festival). Wouldn’t have known it was happening if it hadn’t been on the news..
It would seem for some reason Cashmans in Ireland see the 2000 guineas in a totally different light.
7/2 Mastercraftsmen
9/2 Rip Van Winkle
6/1 Crowded HouseThey obviously haven’t bought into Crowded House missing the guineas and are suggesting Rip Van Winkle could very well be the main hope of AOB.
I think people here are forgetting about Evasive. I looked through this post and his name has hardly been mentioned. He showed his class by winning the Horris Hill on bad ground. If you look at his maiden win prior to that at Newmarket the form is starting to look really good. Makaamen (2nd to Evasive) won well albeit a poor maiden a couple of weeks back and today Infiraad(3rd to Evasive) and another Barry Hills horse was an impressive winner of a hot maiden today.
He got a little setback last week with mucus in his foot but Stoute reckons he’ll have him 100% for the Guineas. Also I wouldnt be a big fan of horses having trial races before the Guineas. Train them for the day would be my way.
I know O’Briens could be anything but this horse have a serious turn of foot and if he gets his good ground i would have to give him a big shout.
He’s also by Elusive Quality the same sire as Raven’s Pass should we not forget.evasive wins-you have been warned
Is that it? who are you warning? You would have come across that bit more convincing with a big "E"!!
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