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Naqoos beaten by a head by second favourite Le Harve. Bonilla was whipping very hard near the end.
Seemed to just lose it at the 1f pole and then fight back on. I think he’ll take the mile easily at Newmarket though. The winner was a rapidly improving sort who was only undone by a poor run on heavy ground last year.
HOWEVER, I still say Mastercraftsmans run at Longchamp was well below par. He’ll be suited by the straight mile at Newmarket.
When Desmond Stoneham spoke to Criquette Head about Proportional a few weeks ago, she said that the horses at Chantilly had been held up by the bad weather we had a couple of months ago, so I haven’t entirely given up the faith about Naaqoos yet.
Answer to Myles’s question begins with a G?
BUL, if you think for one minute that the Mastercraftsman that was beaten
by Naaqoos in Paris was giving his true running then i"m afraid you fall into
the Clueless category that Fisty rules extroadinaire! The Master can handle any ground, Naaqoos really doesn"t want it fast!If you’re a clockwatcher, Mastercraftsman produced his best performance of his 2-Y-0 season when beaten by Naaqoos in France , so there is a possibilty that O’Brien’s colt was beaten fair and square ( for what it’s worth ,rolling out the one-race-too-many theory for the Ballydoyle colt hints at lazy form study ,imho ) . And, judging by current odds, if any one wants to back Mastercraftsman – or Rip Van Winkle , for that matter – Ladbrokes will gladly take your money : always an ominous sign.
Clint, being a form student and a clockwatcher, explain to me why you think the Master ran up to his best bearing in mind that Intense Focus who
finished ahead of the Master in paris and then went on to win the Dewhurst
had been beaten all 3 times by the Master on previous meetings with each other! You can have 100 lines in the dunces class run by Fist for that comment! " Mastercraftsman will win the guineas" 100 times boy!!You seem to overlook John Oxx and Jim Bolger. Both have live candidates and very good 3yo horses this year.Ignore them at your peril.Oxx had Arazan,Sea the Stars, Mourayan and Rayeni While Bolger has at least two with chances for the classics this year.
You seem to overlook John Oxx and Jim Bolger. Both have live candidates and very good 3yo horses this year.Ignore them at your peril.Oxx had Arazan,Sea the Stars, Mourayan and Rayeni While Bolger has at least two with chances for the classics this year.
Andy,you are quite right, Arazan is probably the "Dark" horse of the race!
What concerns me with him is the way he was backed off the boards to beat the Master in the National stakes at the Curragh last year, certain folk expected him to win that day but the ground was just too soft for him
but yes he is a danger! Intense focus is a very progressive colt and did nothing but improve last year, but the Master should also have progressed
physically more so! Gan Amrhas is a Derby horse!I hope they still have a carck at newmarket with Naaqoos, I wouldnt be too bothered about his defeat today, as I’d still be of the opinion that he’ll be better on better ground. No doubt todays ground was genuinely gd-sft where Longchamp wasnt.
I actually think Naaqoos is actioned for a better surface anyway, when you watch how he moves like a top of the ground horse. I honestly dont know where this idea comes from that he’s a mud lark.
I hope they still have a carck at newmarket with Naaqoos, I wouldnt be too bothered about his defeat today, as I’d still be of the opinion that he’ll be better on better ground. No doubt todays ground was genuinely gd-sft where Longchamp wasnt.
I actually think Naaqoos is actioned for a better surface anyway, when you watch how he moves like a top of the ground horse. I honestly dont know where this idea comes from that he’s a mud lark.
Go to the back of the class and face the blackboard! That is as poor an observation as i have come across on these pages!
Go to the back of the class and face the blackboard! That is as poor an observation as i have come across on these pages!
I would disagree GW, I think you need to watch the Prix Jean Luc again, and if you still think that isnt a faster ground action he has then I suspect your in denial.
A faster ground actioned horse moves with his legs almost straight will move across the top of the ground by kicking the ground back from under him, (like Naqoos). A horse who wants cut will dig into the ground (like Mastercraftsman).
I was able to say after the Craven last year that I though Ravens Pass would see out 1m2f on a quick surface because of how he was actioned, when you, along with everyone else probably thought he was a sprinter. Naaqoos has a similar action to him.
Time will tell GW.
Go to the back of the class and face the blackboard! That is as poor an observation as i have come across on these pages!
I would disagree GW, I think you need to watch the Prix Jean Luc again, and if you still think that isnt a faster ground action he has then I suspect your in denial.
A faster ground actioned horse moves with his legs almost straight will move across the top of the ground by kicking the ground back from under him, (like Naqoos). A horse who wants cut will dig into the ground (like Mastercraftsman).
I was able to say after the Craven that I though Ravens Pass would see out 1m2f on a quick surface because of how he was actioned, when you probably thought he was a sprinter. Naaqoos has a similar action to him.
Time will tell GW.
Bul, you are as wide of the mark as you could possibly get! Naaqoos has an action that is as round as a wheel which enables him to cut deep into the ground and literally pull himself through it! Mastercraftsman has a much more daisy cutting stretches his toe top of the ground type of action
with a stride to match!! I am dissapointed in your observations, you would never get a job at Timeform with comments like that! As far as Ravens pass goes i backed Henry at 25/1 for last seasons 2000gns thanks, but being an astute judge i could see Ravens had more scope, so i backed him to beat Henry at Royal Ascot and lost financially, but gained the credibility of knowing my judgement was in tact! The rest is history!Well theres a full season to see who is right, but I think your way off the mark here.
The only people who backed Henry last year for the guineas were those who kept blind faith in AOB to put out the winner, a tactic which may have worked last year but is far less likely to work again this time around.
Roll on the guineas..
Well theres a full season to see who is right, but I think your way off the mark here.
The only people who backed Henry last year for the guineas were those who kept blind faith in AOB to put out the winner, a tactic which may have worked last year but is far less likely to work again this time around.
Roll on the guineas..
And there were those who could see how much he hated the soft ground
in his last juvenile race against New approach!The only people who backed Henry last year for the guineas were those who kept blind faith in AOB to put out the winner, a tactic which may have worked last year but is far less likely to work again this time around.
Henrys 2yo form with NA on ground he would have hated should have made him a lot shorter than 10 times the price of NA in the Guineas. So I think its fair to say value punters not just blind faith keepers in the skills of AOB would have spotted that as well.
Has Rip Van Winkle awakened from his slumbers yet, and does he still have a little squeak of winning the 2,000 Guineas, I wonder ?
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BUL, i will take that comment with the humour it was delivered in!
Seriously though Henry was the 1st Ante-post fav for the 08 2000 gns after his Coventry win he was 10/1fav! His trainer said then he was a guineas sort,His season may have ended prematurely because of his dissapointing
performances on Soft ground and therefore became almost the forgotten horse! What didn"t help either was the fact that Jupitor Pluvious was burning up the gallops at home last spring! Henry did not show his true
potential until he was worked on the faster ground at home! On the monday week of the 2000 gns he was still available at 20/1,by the friday he was 14/1 at the off he was 11/1. After timers are dreamers mate, they lack foresight a crucial weapon in the Ante-post kings armoury!Has Rip Van Winkle awakened from his slumbers yet, and does he still have a little squeak of winning the 2,000 Guineas, I wonder ?
He is wide awake and is taking money on Betfair! i believe the stable is pretty well split as to who is the better colt! "Himself" has nailed his colours to the Rip Van mast! I have nailed mine to the Masters! i do believe
people are either in one camp or the other, because they are like chalk and cheese!
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