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    That statement seems to make no sense Nathan. It seems a lame excuse that the race comes too quickly.

    Do you think there is any suggestion that she hasn’t trained on as well as they had hoped?

    Bizarrely,the Sporting Life headline read that Clemmie may miss the 2000 Guineas. On that front O’Brien stated:-

    “We have another couple of weeks to go, but he (Saxon Warrior) is progressing along lovely.

    “We never thought he was short of pace.”

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Possibly Steve, what did you make of the supposedly comments saying her brother Churchill stayed the mile but only just, that doesn’t make sense either because they upped him in trip to 10f. Maybe it’s dodgy journalism and they were talking about Meow. Things don’t add up to me.

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    38s was worth the risk, allbeit, pocket change only..

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    I think perhaps it was a move of desperation trying Churchill at 10F. He landed the Newmarket Guineas but the Racing Post figure for that race was only 1 lb higher than his run in the Dewhurst the previous season. His official rating never changed for his Newmarket win and only went up 1 lb for landing the Irish Guineas.

    Defeat behind Barney Roy in the St James Palace stakes, when the Racing Post had him running to 111, perhaps tipped the scales in feeling that the colt was probably exposed at a mile and that they may need to step him up in search of improvement over further.

    Whatever the thinking Churchill never won another race, meaning that his final career success had occurred in May, arguably peaking at just 2 lbs higher than his 2YO best.

    Maybe that’s the reason that they are advertising Churchill at stud with the spurious stat of the colt who won the Dewhurst in a faster time than Frankel. Well that’s him guaranteed to be better than Frankel at stud then :wacko:

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Watch out not for Altyn Orda now 7/2 fav for the Nell Gwyn on Wednesday.

    Currently 33/1 for the 1000 Guineas if she wins by a wide margin which I think she may do on Wednesday then her odds will come tumbling down.

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    At the prices I like Nawassi in the Nell Gwyn today. She’s been relatively weak in the betting since firms started offering prices and currently trades at 11/1. To me that appears value, as she impressed me when winning her maiden at the same course and is up against a bunch of similarly unproven types today.

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    With you on her Gun. She’s been well supported both starts, will enjoy the trip and ground and Gosden always sends a nice one to this winning it for the past two years.

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    I like Threading. Mark Johnston’s runners are 12421 since Monday and she impressed me on her wins last season. 4/1 looks worth a small bet to me

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    Veracious all good, just watched her on RUK working nicely before todays Newmarket meeting.

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    Is Veracious going straight to the Guineas Kev?

    I think she’s short enough now if she is not having a prep run.

    I don’t really see the Nell Gywn throwing up anything with a big chance in the Guineas, it looks a tight, wide-open, trial.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Frankie onboard veracious

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    Veracious generally cut to 8/1 now. That’s a bit skinny given her achievements so far.

    She’s probably my last real ante-post chance in the race after Wind Chimes blew out in France.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Soliloquy was probably the best backed horse in the lead up to this race. She opened 7/1 and was steadily nibbled in.

    William Hill go 12/1 with the “Needs to be supplemented” proviso. Paddy Power go 14/1, Ladbrokes 12/1 and Coral 10/1.

    The ITV team are predictably gushing in their praises but we seem to see this year after year and it hasn’t been relevant of late.

    Johnston’s team left their form back in 2017 it seems.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    A very taking win for me Steve. That said, not sure i’d be in a rush to back her for the 1000G just yet.

    She could be a G1 filly alright.

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    A good enough win for Soliloquy but they already have Wild Illusion for the race and only they know how the two stand against one another. Charlie Appleby said it is only recently that Soliloquy started showing some speed and that they initially had her pegged as an Oaks filly.

    Trainer and Jockey gave the post race comments you would expect, not ruling anything in or out with any certainty. No doubt they will reflect and the supplementary fee is no concern as Sheikh Mohammed probably spends more in Mahmood Al Zarooni dartboards every month.

    You can obviously make the observation that Veracious has won a six grand maiden but is two thirds the price of the Nell Gwyn winner.

    Obviously I am hoping for Veracious, having her as one of my two proper bets on the race at 25/1, but I’ll probably jinx her and have blue lines on my face in the aftermath (Veracious Veins) :whistle:

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Al Zarooni dartboard :yahoo:

    Veracious is too short now for sure. Definitely happy with Frankie onboard and Stoute seems delighted with her.

    Was impressed by Soliloquy but think she might be more of a 10F filly, especially if it’s quick-ish ground.

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    I see our filly is being backed steve.

    Wish I’d had her inserted into the market after she won the maiden for me at Newmarket last year. I said at the track after the race she was going places but stupidly changed my mind after the joy had calmed down.

    I’m now of the opinion that she’s the most likely winner of the Guineas now. I’ll probbaly add September before the race too as I’ll kick myself if she won that after backing her for the Fillies Mile where she was unlucky and of course the Oaks.

    Frankie on board Veracious is another plus for her.

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