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Evidently she is very good. Perhaps like her brother she failed to act on the firm ground at Ascot? Ryan Moore went as far to say she is the best filly they’ve seen out this year, a bit of an indictment against September. It will be interesting to see how both these fillies progress, at the moment it looks as if Clemmie will be the Guineas horse, and September for the Oaks.
I know there was a tail wind today, Voleur; but even so – beating the track record suggests it’s firmed up overnight. Of what I saw of Clemmie’s action she should be effective on a firm surface. I agree September looks the Oaks filly.
Maybe so but it was in no way comparable to the ground at Royal Ascot, you could see them kicking up the dirt at Newmarket with the bare eye. As you said yourself some horses act on Good to Firm but not Firm, I fail to see another reason for her disappointing effort in the Albany.
It was only the Tuesday of Royal Ascot where imo the ground was firm, Voleur. Take a look at the times compared to Racing Post Standard in all five days. Watering made the going good-firm Wednesday onwards. Allowing for yesterday’s tail wind I believe the Albany and Cherry Hinton were run on similar good-firm.
O’Brien takes his time with his two year olds, majority cabbage-like on debut and he has a very poor first time out strike rate. At the time, I thought Clemmie lacked pace in the Albany; but where as some O’Brien two year olds come on a lot second time, several have again run green and again needed the run. I believe Clemmie didn’t learn enough from her first start. We also do not know how the trip over from Ireland affected her so early in a career. She now knows more about the game. Able to show a lot more speed than less than a month ago. It’s also interesting Clemmie has now had four starts, the only time not tongue tied was at Ascot or may be she just doesn’t like Ascot. So imo there are good reasons for the Albany failure. Race to ignore, at least until she returns for her Coronation.
Value Is EverythingMust admit i know nothing about breeding but i do not think September will be an Oaks Filly. Surely she shows too much speed. Quite tempted by that 33’s Conquest for the Oaks who ran the other night, she looks more like one for longer distances next year.
To me, she looks the most obvious Oaks runner of 2018 we’ve seen so far.
Everything points to her being better over further. As I said earlier in the thread, I’ve played the 6/1 for this as a small bet but more as insurance in case she doesn’t go to the oaks. But that would stun me tbh. Wouldn’t surprise me if she won both.
But the 25s available before the Chesham for the oaks is already looking huge now
I don’t back them at single figure odds ante-post at this stage of the season. That’s it, end of.
Others are free to do as they feel appropriate. We will find out who was right next May.
How will we “find out who was right next May”?
At the time of my bet I believe Clemmie has a 15% chance of winning the 1000 Guineas.
That means I believe she has an 85% chance of losing (almost 7 times as likely to lose than win).
Does that mean if Clemmie loses I will be proven right, Steve?
Value Is EverythingI don’t back them at single figure odds ante-post at this stage of the season. That’s it, end of.
Others are free to do as they feel appropriate. We will find out who was right next May.
How will we “find out who was right next May”?
At the time of my bet I believe Clemmie has a 15% chance of winning the 1000 Guineas.
That means I believe she has an 85% chance of losing (almost 7 times as likely to lose than win).
Does that mean if Clemmie loses I will be proven right, Steve?Tedious.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I don’t back them at single figure odds ante-post at this stage of the season. That’s it, end of.
Others are free to do as they feel appropriate. We will find out who was right next May.
How will we “find out who was right next May”?
At the time of my bet I believe Clemmie has a 15% chance of winning the 1000 Guineas.
That means I believe she has an 85% chance of losing (almost 7 times as likely to lose than win).
Does that mean if Clemmie loses I will be proven right, Steve?Tedious.
Value Is EverythingHAPPILY 33/1
My bet here she was clueless on debut behind September but won maiden very well being related to Marvellous and Gleneagles can see her more of a miler than other stablemates.While AOB has strong batch of 2yo fillys take a chance on her be best next year.Hope she win well tonight.
HAPPILY 33/1
My bet here she was clueless on debut behind September but won maiden very well being related to Marvellous and Gleneagles can see her more of a miler than other stablemates.While AOB has strong batch of 2yo fillys take a chance on her be best next year.Hope she win well tonight.
Your on your way mate
What’s your thoughts on Nyaleti, guys……?
Why anyone would back her at 25s over September at 6/1 when September beat her comfortably despite looking green is a strange one to me.
I’m happy with Clemmie 33’s and 66’s Irish Guineas double, to my untrained eye she will be an out and out miler whereas September looks more an Oaks Fillie. Aidan tends to take in the 1000 on route so hopefully they both turn up but I’d take Clemmie over the mile. Just my opinion, good luck with her MOM. Btw I agree about Nyaleti, I don’t think she’ll even run in the guineas and if she does and wins I’ll leave the forum and never return.
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Btw I agree about Nyaleti, I don’t think she’ll even run in the guineas and if she does and wins I’ll leave the forum and never return.
Looks like we are stuck with you then Nathan
I’m happy with Clemmie 33’s and 66’s Irish Guineas double, to my untrained eye she will be an out and out miler whereas September looks more an Oaks Fillie. Aidan tends to take in the 1000 on route so hopefully they both turn up but I’d take Clemmie over the mile. Just my opinion, good luck with her MOM. Btw I agree about Nyaleti, I don’t think she’ll even run in the guineas and if she does and wins I’ll leave the forum and never return.
Cheers Nath
I’m really hopeful she’s a superstar
I have done Poetic Charm at 4/1 today for the Sweet Solera. It’s a long way from the Guineas yet but she impressed me as much as any Godolphin 2YO this season. I feel she can cope with the softer ground today and while I was there I stuffed a highly speculative bet on her for the Guineas at 33/1. Some bubbles will burst in the Moyglare and the market may have a very different shape after that race.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Another hammer blow for the Nyaleti form there.
Tajaanus comes into our 1000 Guineas market at 33/1.
Another hammer blow for the Nyaleti form there.
Tajaanus comes into our 1000 Guineas market at 33/1.
I’d be very surprised if the Guineas is currently in Britain, it just doesn’t look like the 2 year olds are up to much over here this year compared to the other side of the Irish Sea.
Another hammer blow for the Nyaleti form there.
Tajaanus comes into our 1000 Guineas market at 33/1.
Can you not make Nyaleti 50/1 LS
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