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Having had to spend time in hospital last weekend, unable to get to sleep I watched the Ch5 quiz and was perplexed by the various “wrongâ€ÂÂ
Just tuned in and I am shocked and saddened by this terrible news.
My deepest sympathies goes to the family & friends. My thoughts are with you.
I appreciate the concerns that when fox hunting is banned attention may be turned to horse racing – however there is one major point why horse racing will not be banned.
It raises money for the Government.
Racing, with all its peripheral businesses, is a major employer and revenue generator.
Not only the revenue from the bookmakers gross profit tax but also corporation tax & employers NI, the tax & NI paid by employees, taxes raised by fuel duty with horseboxes, owners, trainers & jockeys travelling up & down the country, etc.
Then there would be mass unemployment – and this would cost the government in benefits and in turn raise taxes for the rest of us.
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Do fish feel pain?
We are informed they don’t but who by – anglers.
We are informed that only the old & sick foxes get caught & killed. How do you know how old it is?<br>It might be a youngster that has got cornered. What then?
We are informed that the fox has a fair chance.<br>How fair is digging one out of the ground that has "won" its race for survival?
As for bringing meat eaters into the argument. <br>Farm animals are bred specifically for that purpose. I understand that most lead happy lives and are well looked after until their time has come. It is unfortunate that they have to be slaughtered but at least it is humanely and relatively quick. And done to feed the human race.
If we were all vegetarian could the world grow enough food to feed us all?
And what about Quorn ?
I understand that there is a Quorn hunt every year!
Quote: from Venusian on 12:19 am on Sep. 20, 2004[br]
3. Since the current problems suffered with illegal hare-coursers receive no attention whatsoever from the police, how do you suppose the police are going to deal with all these newly-banned sports? From what areas of crime prevention and/or villain-catching should police resources be diverted? <br>
<br>from not hounding motorists!
It’s ironic that, now the security of the House Of Commons has been breeched, those in charge of defending it (with swords!) are threatened to be replaced.
Their defence?
It will do away with centuries of tradition!
The media reports an overwhelming majority but 20% of the MP’s didn’t vote and from the TV pictures there didn’t look to be 20% in attendance!
356 voted in favour of a ban out of (I forget the exact number of MPs that should be in the house) around 650.
That is about 55%.
Some interesting points on this thread.
There is a difference between humans hunting for food and hunting for "sport".
Man hunts for food to survive. The vegetarians argument that we do not need to eat meat/fish is a different one. (I am a meat eater in a family of vegetarians living in the country). Farming rears animals to supply the bulk of that food whilst hunting/shooting animals & birds such as rabbits & pheasants, might provide the hunter with a bit of "pleasure" under the guise of "sport" , at least the "kill" (and a relatively quick one) is used for food.
The problem with hunting (imo) is the cruelty of chasing one animal by hundreds (dogs/horses& humans) until it is exhausted or trapped. If it goes underground for cover then it is dug out for the hounds to tear it apart, live.
I cannot call this "sport". The hunted has absolutely no chance with "rules" like that. At least with a gun it is a one to one – and a quick kill (if a good shot). But I doubt if it is as much fun as charging over others peoples land, running out in front of vehicles on country roads, hounds getting sidetracked and chasing/catching/killing peoples pets.
The argument that it will cost jobs. What’s wrong with a drag hunt?
The points raised about the sympathies between this & the miners is interesting. Just shows that the class difference and "not in my back yard" attitude is still here. <br>The closing of the pits destroyed communities. Forget about the animosity between workers families. It was the fact that the pits were going to be closed that caused that. The pits were, in many places, the only employment. There was no real alternative employment. (How many taxi drivers does a village need?).
At least with alternative hunting -such as drag hunting – employment can still carry on. It would still need the employment of the farriers/blacksmiths, etc
As for the fox and the killing of chickens, etc. While I sympathise – isn’t that its nature. My cat catches birds but rarely eats them.
As for foxes dying of hyperthermia, blood poisoning and starvation isn’t this part of survival/natural selection.<br>Ok, the RTA is a man made thing but that is progress, like building houses on land thus reducing the habitat that the fox has for finding food. Which is why many foxes come into towns to scavange amongst the rubbish bins. (I was in Basildon last week at around 11.30pm saw two foxes coming from a new housing estate just off the bypass heading for Sainsbury’s back yard – where the bins are).
Regarding the killing of animals for Halal & Kosher food. Apart from the health risks I have always thought that this is unacceptable in this Christian country. But this is getting into a religious part of the debate which has no relevance here.
And I am aware that racing has its roots via hunting.
But our society has moved on from these ancient/traditional methods. <br>We live in houses – not caves.
In conclusion; We use to have to hunt for food for survival. With farming we no longer have to.<br>The culling of foxes, if it is a necessity, should be done with a gun although the motor car seems to be doing a decent job of it.<br>If people want to dress up and chase something – let it be one of their own.
I use my own "system" or method to find one horse a day(well, most days) and bet systematically using 3 banks depending on its rating level.
One has to be disciplined to do this but in the 3 years I have bet like this I have turned from losing ££££’s when using many systems to winning using one.
However I do monitor other systems/methods and occassionally use these to do a scoop 6 (without success).
But IMO you can’t beat the "Bet one a day and go away" system.<br>:)
Hi Andy & Kersley. Just looking thru the thread & saw remarks about Postdata selection being different in the paper to the on-line version.
I noticed this some 3 or 4 months ago and contacted the editor of the RP. The reply basically was that the on-line version is the early edition but the paper prints the up-dated/latest edition, which takes into account going changes, draw, jockey changes etc. The on-line edition is not amended/updated.
Strange then that in the few days following, when monitoring both versions, the on-line edition selected more winners than the amended (paper) selections, and at some decent prices.
Seems that "you pays your money and takes your choice"!
:)
I appreciate that the true test of any system/method is the level stake profit/loss but you actually have a 36% win rate and staking plans can usually be adjusted to suit the win %. This, though, mainly depends on the amount you’re willing to put into a bank.
To save me trawling through the previous pages – what is your average win SP & what is the numbers of your winning/losing runs?
Regards
Terry
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