[Seagull]

Thurs 1 July

methally u/p
valirius 1st 11/4
transformer u/p
cyborg 3rd 9/2
wellington sq 2nd 4/1

returns
147.25
139.50
171.00
loss on day £457.73

profit/loss to c/f +£1,011.09

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Fri 3 July
alanbrooke m 1st 10/3
society venue u/p
arteus u/p
blue dynasty u/p
le corvee 3rd 10/3

returns
138.89

loss on day 861.11
bank +£149.98

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Sat 4 July

floor show u/p
senses u/p
july jasmine 3rd 11/4
wotasparkler 3rd 11/4
west with the wind u/p
ilforno 2nd 9/4

returns
112.38
loss on day -£1,387.62

bank -£1,237.64

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Sun 5th July

no bets

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mon 6 july

careus 1st 11/4
grudge 3rd 9/4
buy on red u/p
resurge 2nd 9/4
canyon ranch 2nd 10/3

loss on day £387.28

bank -£1,624.92

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tues 7 july
no bets

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wed 8 july

rainbow view u/p
blue noodles u/p

loss on day £100.00

bank -£1,724.92

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Friday 17th July

ANY FAV

Emmerald Commander won 3rd race @4/5
profit on day £1.00

prof/loss this year -£3,302.35
prof/loss since jan 08 +£15,383.28

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Phoenix Enforcer won 2nd race@8/13

profit on day £2.30

prof/loss this year -£97.45
prof/loss since jan 08 +£1,732.32

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Sat 18 July

ANY FAV

Mr David won 2nd race @7/4
profit on day £12.50
prof/loss this year -£3,289.85
profi/loss since jan 08 +15,395.78

ANY FAV NOIN HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Fly Silca Fly won 1st race @7/4
profit on day £17.50

prof/loss this year _£79.95
prof/loss since jan 08 +£1,749.82

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Sun 19th July

ANY FAV

Check On Jack H won 1st race 2/1
profit on day £10.00

prof/loss this year -£3,279.85
prof/loss since jan 08 +£15,495.78

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Fongoli won 1st race 4/7
profit on day £5.71

prof/loss this year -£74.24
prof/loss since jan 08 +£1,755.53

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Mon July 20th

ANY FAV

Bomber Brown won 1st race 11/4
profit on day +£13.75

prof/loss this year -£3,266.10
prof/loss since jan 08 +£15,509.53

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Diamond Laura won 4th race 4/7
loss on day £24.42

prof/loss this year -£98.66
prof/loss since jan 08 +£1,731.11

[Seagull]

Everyone at the BHA should be provided with a copy of the letter the Racing Post published on July 29th from Nick Haley.

[Seagull]

Wed 15th July

ANY FAV

Persian Warrior won 2nd race 4/7
profit on day £0.71

profit/loss this year -£3,328.35
profit/loss since jan 08 +£15,357.28

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Misty Angry won 2nd race 8/15
profit on day £0.66

prof/loss this year -106.00
prof/loss since jan 08 +£1,243.60

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Thurs 16 July

ANY FAV

Pires won 5th race 5/4
profit on day £25.00

prof/loss this year -£3,303.35
prof/loss since jan 08 +£15,382.28

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Sandhurst won 1st race 13/8
profit on day £16.25

prof/loss this year -£99..75
prof/loss since jan 08 +£1,259.85

[Seagull]

Colin
Thanks for taking the time and effort to post all the replies. It gives even more insight to the company.

On the subject of a stock market float I should imagine that even in today’s economic climate there will no no shortage of subscribers.

[Seagull]

I went to France last week to watch a couple of days of the Tour De Fance.
Sunday was an amazing day in the centre of Paris and nice to see a Brit win!
Catch up results later as a few days on the Sussex Downs @ Goodwood awaits.

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Drone
I personally don’t care whether J. Mc Crakken ever attends another race meeting or not but if anyone thinks a lifetime ban would stop someone if they were determined to ignore it needs to think again.

When Mc Crakken got thrown out of Lingfield it was not until the 5th race and it took a member of the public to inform the officials he was there.

I would suggest the on course layers knew exactly who they were betting with and if they were willing to bet large sums with him why should I bother to run around to seek out some official, then waste more time explaining who he is and why he should be ejected?

Miles Rodgers could walk in any racecourse today unchallenged if he wanted to.

Karl Burke’ stable will be run by his wife exactly the same as Jeff Pearce had his wife run his yard whilst he was in prison.

The whole thing is a farce.

The B.H.A. and the racing press both blamed the City Of London police for not getting convictions in court yet in the City Of London Police review of the case which was leaked (some members of this forum have read it in full) they put the blame totally with the B.H.A.

[Seagull]

Sunday 12 July

ANY FAV

Black Quartz won 2nd race evens
profit on day £5.00

prof/loss this year -£3,337.65

prof/loss since jan 08 +£15,351.57

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

4 losers loss on day £150.00

prof/loss this year -£118.93
prof/loss since jan 08 +£1,225.67

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Mon 13 Jan

ANY FAV

Cooksgrove Lady won 3rd race
profit on day £5.00

prof/loss this year -£3,332.69

prof/loss since jan 08 +£15,336.57

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Cooksgrove Lady won 1st race evens
profit on day £10.00

prof/loss this year -£108.93
prof/loss since jan 08 +£1,235.67

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Tues 14 Jul

ANY FAV

Just Five won 1st race 8/11
profit on day £3.63

prof/loss this year -£3,329.06
prof/loss since jan 08 +£15,362.02

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Just five won 1st race 8/11
profit on day £7.27

prof/loss this year -£106.66
prof/loss since jan 08 +£1242.94

[Seagull]

Well being ‘warned off ‘ has not stopped John aka Jock Mc Crakken still turning up at racecourses.

He was at The Derby and the July Newmarket meeting (1st day).

He only got thrown out at Lingfield after winning 9k and turning up in a new Bentley (not his) so he does not need to go to any great lenghts to disguise his appearance to walk past some pensioner on gate duty.

The Brighton ex boxers are planning a Goodwood jolly on the Thursday of the Festival meeting so keep em peeled as they say!

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Drone
I have no connection with Patrick Veitch or his publishers.

However to read how some one who started out having just £20-£50 on a horse to someone who made £10,049,993.03 in 8 years he clearly has a story to tell.

This is someone who Michael Tabor used to pay to provide him horses to back so clearly someone who clearly knows what he is doing.

It may suprise most of us but the majority of his selections are from simply studying form, draw bias etc etc and although he may now have some inside knowledge through owning many horses the vast percentage of his wealth was gained by using the form that is there for all of us to see.

I have purchased many horse racing books and this is amongst the best.

[Seagull]

Frida 10 July

ANY FAV

Emirates Dream won 3rd race
profit on day £25.00

profit/loss this year -£3,977.65
profit/loss since jan 08 +£14,711.56

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Leverage won 6th race @4/7
loss on day £127.28

profit/loss this year +£12.32
prof/loss since jan 08 +£1,344.80

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Sat 11 July

ANY FAV

Aqlaam won 8t race @15/8
profit on day £635.00
porfit/loss this year -£3,342.65
prof/loss since jan 08 +£15,346.57

Aqlaam won 1st race 15/8

profit on day £18.75
prof/loss this year +£31.0
prof/loss isnce jan 08 +£1,375.87

[Seagull]

The Sunday Times reported last year that the company could well look for a stock market listing and that was one of the reasons the Premium charges were introduced as it was any easy way to maximise profits.

The purchase of Harlow Greyhound track and of Timeform could well be seen as widening the base of the company so it looked liked they did not have to solely rely on gambling much the same way as Ladbrokes started buying hotels a while back.

This could be seen by some as widening the appeal for future shareholders.

Whilst future plans are very confidential your views on this please?

Personally without the recent banking crisis I think they would have got a stock market launch by now.

p.s.
I purchased your book and it is interesting to see how the early ethos they had seems to have gone out of the window by recent changes

Thanks for your kind words about the book. I take it that in your "ps" you are referring to the final chapter? In this, I consider the philosophy of Betfair today and the company’s original aspirations. One of the most interesting aspects of this to me is whether Black and his co-founder Ed Wray would, all things being equal, embark on a similar challenge again. Leaving aside, in as much as you can, the hundreds of millions they have made. What do you think they each said? It is in the book (and, like a good murder mystery, I cannot give away the ending). Suffice to say their answers say a lot about the world of business today and the challenge they took on – partly unbeknown – in seeking to, as my book suggests, change the world of gambling.

There is no doubt that Betfair will float, ultimately. Investors in the company want to cash in their chips and no one should begrudging them a payout having backed a winner when odds at the start were to say the least long. As to when, on top of projects like my Betfair book, I also write for the Financial Times. Word in the City of London is that Betfair might surprise us all by floating sooner rather than later. We may be in the midst of an economic crisis but not all are labouring under this. A look at the sporting calendar might give some clues when precisely Betfair might float. The 2012 London Olympics, anyone? The diversification in Betfair holdings has been both logical and creative. By far the most significant is the purchase of TVG in America. This is the broadcaster of racing from a host of tracks there, coast to coast, also taking wagers. There are also signs of a break through in Hong Kong. Consolidation of markets in these outposts – Asia and America would dwarf little old Blighty – are what will trigger the plan to float. So, overall, I would say, when not if, and perhaps sooner than you think.

[Seagull]

Wed 8 July

ANY FAV

Wheres Susie won 3rd race 7/4

profit on day £20.00

prof/loss this year -£4,012.65
profit/loss since jan 08 +£14,676.57

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Slip won 1st race 1/2
profit on day £5.00

profit this year +£119.60
profit/loss since jan 08 +£1,470.81

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Thurs 9 July

ANY FAV

Kite Wood won 1st race @2/1
profit on day £10.00

profit/loss this year -£4,002.25
profit/loss since jan 08 +£14,686.57

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Kite Wood won 1st race 2/1
profit on day £20.00

profit/loss this year +£139.60
profit/loss since jan 08 +£1,472.08

[Seagull]

Was it true that when Andrew Black was seeking start up funds he put a business plan to The Racing Post but was turned down?

Yes, the Racing Post did turn down Betfair, which with hindsight was racing’s equivalent of turning down The Beatles. But the Racing Post wasn’t the only organisation to pass on the concept (Andrew Black cannot remember whether he actually showed editorial staff the prototype he had at that stage which ultimately he developed into the Betfair site which went live in 2000). In my book, Andrew Black recalls that he also went to William Hill and Ladbrokes. Of these, he was given a token audience by the latter and didn’t even get through the door with the former. "I began to tell everyone about the idea," You Bet quotes Black. "I wasn’t secretive at all. At the start I began by saying, I have this nice little niche idea. Still, no one was interested. Over time I began to say, this will be big, huge; this is not going to make a little bit of money but hundreds of million." No one was the least bit interested. Of course, they are now.

[Seagull]

Monday 6 July

ANY FAV

Sams Cross won 6th race 4/5
loss on day £27.00

profit/loss this year -£4,017.65
profit/loss since Jan 01 +£14,671.53

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Smas Cross won 2nd race 4/5
profit on day £6.00

profit loss this year +£104.42
profit/loss since jan 08 +£1,457.63

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Tues 7 July

ANY FAV

Viceroy won 4th race 1/2
loss on day £15.11
profit/loss this year -£4,032.65
profit/loss since jan 08 +£14,656.57

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

Diamond Laura won 2nd race 10/11
profit on day £8.18

profit/loss this year +£114.80
profit/loss isnce jan 08 +£1,465.81

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I currently have 1 big bet matched 2 days ago on betfair on the 1st Test ending in a draw.

If the match ends up as a draw as I have had other bets during he past week/month this will click in the Premium charge for the current period.

Now if that Cricket bet won and was my

only

bet in the last month no Premium charges will be taken.

How is that fair?

If I fancied backing the draw today @7.50a.m.
1/5 betfair (1/20)
1/20 ladbrokes (currently)

So they got you by the balls (no pun intended).

Who would in their right mind would lump on with Ladbrokes when even after Premium charges and normal commission you’d still be far better off with Betfair.

[Seagull]

Sun 5th July

ANY FAV

Ovthenight won 1ts race 2/1

profit on day £10.00

profit/loss this year -£3,990.65
profit/loss since jan 08 +£14,698.53

ANY FAV NON HAND TO 9 RUNNERS

4 Losers

loss on day £150.00

profit/loss this year +98.42
profit/loss since jan 08 +£1,451.63

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