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I’m starting to question your race-reading ability. You should watch the Reynoldstown again
So a series of mistakes (and getting knocked sidewards by a rival) won’t impact on a horse’s finishing effort? Albertas Run was the clear dominant force in that division last season, the type to make into a high-level staying chaser, and almost every one of those he beat have shown better form in handicaps this season. If you think Air Force One is a high 150 horse as his handicap form suggests, then a rating in the mid to high 160s on AB isn’t unreasonable as he laughed at AFO (and others) every time they met.
Friggo
How can you suggest YPU hasn’t stayed? Surely the cumulative effect of several mistakes is what’s caused him to fade. Plus, why wouldn’t you credit AR with improvement given how well his novice form has stood up this season?
Unfortunately not recognised amongst the nominees, my vote would go to Friggo. Whilst some of his claims can be outlandish to say the least, he’s consistently good value.
Gaz’s Way De Solzen wins the competition for best-named poster.
The margin by which he beat Racing Demon in 2007 as opposed to 2006 (around 3 lengths more) suggests he improved but not ‘out of all recognition,’ and he did it easily both times
What evidence is there to suggest AFO needs to go right handed? Admittedly, his best form is that way around, but his best effort as a hurdler was at Cheltenham and his second to AR at Ascot was a fair reflection of his merit at the time- disagree AR isn’t well enough handicapped as well given he wasn’t extended to beat AFO in the Reynoldstown and 149 handicap-winner Roll Along in the RSA
Why bother pointing out it’s value if you’re not going to back it?
Maybe he doesn’t want you to start whingeing about aftertiming as you have in 2 of your 8 posts so far on the forum to-date!
Alternatively he could be just stating an opinion, which is predominantly what a discussion forum is all about, surprisingly enough!
Well he won’t be aftertiming given that he’s said that he’s not backing it, will he? He’d look a flipping fool.
Why bother pointing out it’s value if you’re not going to back it? And wasn’t his recent Flat run lifeless, in need of the run or not? Agree jumping is a concern, too, as of course is the fact he’s out of his depth
Surely you’re aware the number of runners on the day is irrelevant for ante-post each-way betting – it’s the number quoted at the time of writing. If you fancy him each way back it now, though the fact he’s prone to running the odd stinker would put me off HV for such purposes.
Hello,
1.15, Cheltenham, Chase,
Approaching the second last, HOOPY’s jockey, Mr McKeown? appeared to ask King Harald’s jockey for his whip.(he had dropped his whip earlier in the race) It again appeared that the said jockey gave him the whip. Using this assistance Hoopy was driven home up the hill pipping Alexanderthegreat.
I backed HOOPY, and was very concerned at, what I saw a proper objection to the winner. I could not believe it that the result stood!!!
How can obtaining, with or without the other jockey’s consent, an article mid race, not be breaking the rules??
Without that whip it is unlikely HOOPY would of won. His error early race, he lost his whip, so tough. But to acquire an advantage later on in the race, by disadvantaging another competitor, is surely against the spirit of the sport and the actual regulations.
OK, KH was beaten, but how on earth could his jockey ride him to his best position without his whip??I am happy, I got paid out, but a very, very weird decision by the stewards…
Disgusting aftertiming.
I put a fiver on Briareus
The moment I saw him against that opposition, I knew that he had a great chance of winning … he was the one to beat IMO. I’d also backed him in early 2006 when he won at 14-1. He’s a very good horse indeed.
Shocking aftertiming from Rob V there. Sickening and contemptible.
Poor shout Friggo, reet hard.
You’ve got nothing solid in the race running for you taking on I’msingingtheblues. Come on fellas.
To be fair he was coming to the end of his tether in a heavy-ground Hennessy having been forcefully ridden, whilst he was virtually walking up the hill in a soft-ground Gold Cup under similar tactics. Oh, hang on, no, he wasn’t.
If that’s what you saw in the Hennessy and Gold Cup, more power to you. Given how Denman travelled through those races he hardly finished full of running, enough to convince me that his stamina has a limit. Whether that limit is reached over 3m5 in bottomless ground is a matter of debate at the moment (and if you’ll read my first post, I’m not even decided myself, merely unconvinced). Your initial point concerned the relative stamina tests of the two races, something I’ll contest in opposition to a tiresome and hypothetical "he won’t stay/he will stay" argument.
It would have been pretty remarkable had he been full of running at the end of either race given the manner in which he put them to bed, striking on from a very long way out but, at the same time, you can’t say he was stopping.
I can’t believe that a soft ground race over 3m5f round a flat, figure of eight track like Auteuil takes any more getting than a soft-ground Gold Cup. If you doubt Denman’s stamina you are accepting that horses like Princesse d’Anjou and Mid Dancer are stouter stayers than he, which sounds laughable to me.To be fair he was coming to the end of his tether in a heavy-ground Hennessy having been forcefully ridden, whilst he was virtually walking up the hill in a soft-ground Gold Cup under similar tactics. Oh, hang on, no, he wasn’t.
Based on everything we know of him it’s absurd to suggest that a 3m5f race on a flat, undemanding track such as Auteuil will test Denman’s stamina beyond its limit, regardless of ground.
