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April 15 th<br> Ripon 3.55 Dispol Veleta lost
bank = £ 147.64
April 16 th<br> Ayr 2.20 Allbuhera lost<br> Ayr 2.55 Venn Ottery lost<br> Ayr 3.25 Dancing Pearl lost<br> Ayr 4.30 SadMadBad lost<br> Ayr 5.00 Gingerbread House lost<br> Southwell 7.40 Stravmour Won 5/2
bank = £ 122-64
April 17 th<br> Ayr 5.50 Captain Murphy lost<br> Wolv 8.00 Rules for Jokers lost<br> Thirsk 3.00 Selective lost<br> Bangor 2.20 Ross River lost
Bank = £82.64
April 19 th Wolv 6.35 Doctor John lost
<br>Bank = £72.64
20 th April – no selection
21 st April Epsom 2.20 Bull Run Won 13/8
Bank = £88.89
22 nd April Beverley 3.20 Wistman lost<br> Perth 3.30 Monet’s Garden won 1/1<br>Bank = £88.89
23 rd April Sandown 2.55 African Dream Won 7/2<br> Sandown 3.30 Calling Brave NR
Bank = £123.89
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April 3 rd <br> Newc 4.40 Miss Adelaide lost<br> Ling 1.55 MilkitMick lost<br>bank =£203.76
<br>April 5 th <br> Westbrook Blue won 4/7
bank = £209.47
<br>April 6 th Pont 2.20 Jair Ohmsford lost<br> Exeter 2.40 BreknenLeNoir lost
bank = £189.47
April 7 th Warwick 4.30 Distant Times Won 5/4<br> Fontwell 2.50 Noisetine Lost
Bank = £ 191.97
April 8 th Mussleburgh 3.10 Sarraaf lost
bank = £ 181.97
April 10 th Haydock 2.00 Fernery lost
bank = £171.97
April 11 th Towcester 4.00 Askmewhat lost
April 12 th Kempton 2.45 Fire up the Band lost
bank = £ 151.97
April 13 th Newmarket 4.35 Percussionist won 4/6<br> Newmarket 2.20 Cornus won 11/10<br> <br>bank = £169.64<br>April 14 th<br> Newmarket 3.30 Gaudalpin lost<br> Newmarket 3.45 Celestial Gold won4/5<br> Cheltenham 4.55 Chief Yeoman lost<br>bank = £ 157.64
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Sorry I have missed a few days, my internet connection was down. Hopefully it is ok from now on.
Bank = 144.17
March 29 th<br> Newc 410 Etmaan won 10/11<br> Wolv 2.20 Silver Mascot lost<br> Wolv 3.50 Semelledevent lost<br> Wolv 4.20 Blueberry Rhyme won 7/2
Bank = £ 168.26
March 30 the Folks 3.50 Concert Hall lost
Bank = £ 158.26
March 31 st
Notts 3.40 Bahamian Pirate won 5/2<br> Notts 4.10 Alcazar won 11/8
bank = £197.01
April 1 st <br> Tauton 2.20 Belcaro won 15/8<br> Leics 5.05 Rarefied lost<br> Aintree 5.30 Inglis Drever lost
bank = £195-76
April 2 nd<br> Lingfield 1.40 Fancy Foxtrot won 2/1<br> Lingfield 2.10 Instructor won 4/5
bank = £223-76 In profit again :)
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March 25 th<br> Ludlow 2.30 Moreluck nr<br> Ludlow 2.00 Young Devereaux lost<br>bank = £ 154.73
March 26 th<br> Lingfield 4.10 Majhool lost
bank = £144.73
March 27 th<br> Kempton 2.05 Bilbury lost<br> Bangor 1.45 King Solomon won 6/4<br> Bangor 2.15 Rodber won 4/9<br> Bangor 4.35 Valleymore lost<br>bank = £ 144.17
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18 th March<br> Cheltenham 5.10<br> La Landiere lost<br>bank = £ 167.23
19 th March<br> Fakenham 3.50 All Bleevable lost<br> Lindfield 3.30 Anyhow lost
bank = £147.23<br> <br> 20 th March Ascot 5.00<br> GuignardduCochet lost<br>bank = £137.23
22 nd March <br> Hereford 2.05 Wasted Talent Lost<br> Wetherby 4.10 Baron Windrush Won 7/4
bank = £ 144.73
23 rd March<br> Lingfield 3.30 Regulated won 4/1<br> Exeter 3.50 Sir Talbot lost
bank = £ 174.73
24 th march Chepstow 3.50 Barnards Green lost
bank = £ 164.23
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Thanks<br>LookingForaWinner
Not any profit yet I’m afraid..<br>Computer systems seem to struggle at this time of the year.
Kind Regards
17 th March<br> Cheltenham 3.20 Azertyuiop won 15/8<br> Cheltenham 2.35 Our Vic lost <br>bank = £177.23
(Edited by JAR at 8:17 pm on Mar. 17, 2004)
15 th March<br>           Plumpton  5.00  Shannon Waters   lost<br>         Taunton    3.50  Kristoffersen       lost<br>          Taunton   4.20  Fluff n Puff         lost<br>          Stratford   3.10 Bakiri             lost<br>16 th March<br> Sedgefield 2.50 Lazy but Lively<br>                                bank = £178.48
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Hi Mr E <br>I cannot really argue in too much detail about Roulette as I simply admit to not knowing much about that particular game. I was talking about the old fashioned Roulette wheel that works by gravity on a ball. I’v no idea how a computer program version of Roulette works or how you could exploit any possible anomaly in a computerised version of Roulette.
I agree with you’re last post, the bookmakers do give terrible value on horse races. It is possible to make a profit on the GG’s for at least one season if not every season providing you can pick winners at odds longer than 2/1 and that is not an easy thing to do on a consistent basis.
Certainly if you are going to accept very short odds it is better to stick with Roulette. When I bet short odds on a horse I am only betting for fun and not profit.
Short odds on horses can be profitable if you use a staking plan to enhance profits. These staking plans are usually aggresive and rely on not hitting a long losing run.<br>Fat chance of that happening.
My biggest grumble against bookmakers is that if you start winning they don’t want to know and either refuse to accept a bet or cut the price of a horse. I’ve only had one bet refused myself probably because I only bet in very small amounts.
So along come the exchanges such as betfair, great now everyone can lay horses to lose. Lo and behold, some people allegedly state, before you know it jockeys are falling off horses.<br>Also a short while ago when there was a jockey dispute over mobile phones. It seemed to me that a lot of favourites that should have won suddenly started coming in second, coincidence or imagination on my part , I don’t know.<br>I’d like to see all the bookmakers cut their margins or only betting exchanges survive. Bookies to my way of thinking – today are going in for machines too much, with <br>virtual racing, lottery balls, and so on.
However I think punters have only themselves to blame, all punters should simply refuse to bet on any horse at odds shorter than 6/4, then see what the bookmakers would do. <br>We need a punters union where all members promise not to accept odds anywhere shorter than evens , then as the union gets bigger refuse to accept odds less than 6/4.<br>Where’s Arthur Scargill when you need him!
Kind regards
Hi<br>Not with Boxform at present. The data must be hand input similar to many earlier computer programs.
It simply allows you to choose an influencing factor on a race. Say we think a horse has more chance in a particular because it is a beaten favourite Boxform would allow us to award 0, 1 or more points for this to the eventual calculated total. It also allows you to use from 1 to 5 handicap ratings in its calculations.<br>It has to be said it is a fairly simple system , although I like it because it allows you to assign different value to some of the factors that affect a race.<br>Hope that helps.
Kind regards
Hi <br>I don’t mind be told when I am incorrect in a view, but I would like to know why?
Kind Regards
Hi<br>At least with horses you can bet against the crowd on betfair and find some value.<br>Since roulette has a fixed advantage and it is straight it follows that there is no value in the long run so no matter how stakes are manipulated you would lose in the long run.
Hi<br>Sounds a bit like expecting "cold" numbers to come up next because they are "overdue", as in the lottery .
Unless the wheel has a bias I would think every number has exactly the same chance on each spin no matter what happened previously.
I think taking a sample of spins and then saying a number is overdue, and will now be more likely to occur, because it has not come up the expected number of times in one sample is a bit dodgy. <br>The idea of a number being "due" without a specific cause bothers me a little.
This "ultimately numbers will come into line", but when, now, next hour, next day, next week. After how many spins of the wheel? Expected frequency must surely apply only to a very large sample of many spins. So large that the point when these numbers occur, and play "catch -up, in the large sample is not predictable.
Thanks for the info though.
Kind regards
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Hi all<br>I don’t know much about Roulette strategy having only played it once and lost at it.
I believe there is something called the 3Q/A Reverse Select strategy for playing roulette that is supposed to give a 7%<br>advantage to the player.<br>Do any of you guys know what this is?
Kind regards
Hi Artemis<br>What Nick says is true. However the same could be said of using the Racing Post . Many people use this paper including professionals. They tend to come up with the same results and this affects value.<br>The best way to use computer programs is either write your own and try and design it so it picks horses others do not.<br>Otherwise find a computer program such as Boxform that lets you use a mixture of inputs of your own choice and try and use inputs others are not using.<br>Using this approach though requires a period of paper testing to ensure the inputs you choose actually produce profitable predictions. In most cases finding an angle others do not use will result in a lower strike rate but hopefully more profit. The bugbear may be the longer losing runs.<br>Kind regards
5 th March Newb 4.15 Legal Lunch Lost Bank £192.39<br> <br>6 th March Hunt 2.45 Gods Token Lost<br> Donc 4.15 Amen Lost<br> Donc 2.00 Royal Shakespear Won evens<br> Kelso 3.00 Le Duc Won 4/5
bank =£190.39
8 th March Wolv 2.50 EnjoytheBuzz Lost<br> bank = £180.39
9 th March Hereford 4.30 Venn Ottery WON 2/5
bank = £184.39
10 th March Chepstow 3.35 McSnappy won 10/11<br> Bangor 2.15 Pilgrims progress won 2/1<br> Bangor 2.50 Maragun won 5/1<br> Bangor 5.40 Upham Lord lost
bank = £253.48
<br>11 th March Towc 4.15 Rakassa Lost<br> Winc 2.55 Hot Shots Won 5/2<br> Bank =£268.48
12 th March Ayr 4.55 Jolika NR<br> Leics 2.20 Canterbury Jack Lost<br> Sandown 4.10 Raffles Rooster Lost<br> <br> Bank =£248.48<br>13 th March<br> Sand 3.45 Duke of Buckingham NR<br> Ayr 2.15 Silver Coin Lost<br> Ayr 2.50 Wise Mann NR<br> Newc 2.30 McCracken Lost<br> Wolv 2.25 Muy Bien Lost
Bank = £218.48
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Ok<br>Racing Post data available once more, thread is now restarted.
2 March Ling 5.00 Long Weekend Won 13/8<br>2 March Leics 3.20 Strong Magic Lost<br> bank = £155.45
3 March Soutwell 4.10 Generous Gesture Won 3/1<br>3 March Wetherby 4.20 Our Dream – meeting abandoned
bank =£185.45
4 March Taunton 3.00 Willie John Daly Won 4/9<br> Ludlow 3.50 Rodalko Won 9/4<br> Ling 2.10 AndTotoToo Lost
bank =£202.39
hurray now in profit.
(Edited by JAR at 11:21 pm on Mar. 4, 2004)
