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It’s a great story Tuffers, and a great story for new owners to hear. Perhaps they knew that only a mad man would race such a animal in a seller. Perhaps that was the very thing that stopped any one getting interested in it, this is too good to be true, why would they run it in a seller. ho ho ho !
I re watched the Sir Mark Prescot feature available from RUK, as I remembered this was one of the subjects that he so brilliantly covered. It really is the best RUK feature interview ever done.
http://www.racinguk.com/video/watch/sir … eature-pt1
http://www.racinguk.com/video/watch/sir … eature-pt2
Enjoy.
read your post, i’m still left very confused? My eyes are telling me alot, but I was wondering if we have any information than can be confirmed. I guess no one knows. I see you said that alot of mis information has been fed, but what part is mis information and what is information.
15 % of what?
For the Aintree query i counted up the number of deaths.
The total number of deaths in the last 5 years for flat and Jumps is 874 in 2010 days.
That is 874 divide by 2010 = 0.434 * 365 = 158 deaths on average per year in the UK over the last 5 years.
I don’t know what that is as a percentage, but it sounds much worse than :
11 deaths in 13 years (2000 to 2012 inclusive) from 519 runners. 2.12%
Where does one find an official record of these things?
Very interesting point there sir. look at this
http://www.horsedeathwatch.com/ I don’t think they are after just the National.
Ginger I don’t think they agree with your statistics!
If RSPCA were to align with the AA, it would only be a question of time before a stupid physical act was to take palce and discredit their whole argument completely.As they have a history of doing so.
You reasoning is sound and just. Personally I have no interest in the national, other than the knock on effect it will have for racing in general, in addition to the negative media coverage it receives that we really do not need.
I am aware that point to pointing is very hairy sport which is likely to be effected if the rules are changed. There isn’t much prize money in that. The riders compete because they enjoy it.
If the majority of the racing public really believe that the rules need to be amended, then fine, I am in favour. However, I am not in favour of any change that stems from out side pressures, such as the RSPCA. It sounds paranoid, but this is what these people will do. We were warned about this during the fox hunting debate, that it would not be the end.
If the rules are to be amended it needs to be made crystal clear that changes have been made on racings own accord and that no influence has come for any other industry or organisation. I’m sure you understand the vast difference.
I think vets could be a good voice for racing, as they see many different examples of animal issues, thus could explain to the rest of the world that racing is not gladiatorial. Of course one does not survive with out the other.
Or sponsor the RSPCA with a horses prize money for a year , much like the David Simcock trained horse (i forget it’s name). You can’t really be seen taking money and then attacking the same people who gave it to you.
These people have an on-line rabbit community.
Has any one ever seen a point to point fence?
That will be next.
If the riders are brave enough to compete in the national each year then they should be allowed to do so as they have a traditional right to do so. It isn’t just the horse a at risk.
Surely the people who ride in the race are the only ones who are really qualified to say if it is safe or not.
Ok Paul i accept the well orchestrated point, but once you have given them The National, what will it be after that? Perhaps the removal of Chase fences because today, it is deemed cruel by the perception of others. Then, tomorrow, why not the whip? After all it is deemed cruel by the perception of others, so it must be cruel. Then , polo , shooting , and fishing, why not, after all, it is cruel.
I understand that it is very hard to publicly argue with the "cause" that represents the poor little bunny rabbit without sounding like Jack the Ripper.
Films like War Horse, or Ruffian can’t help.
I guess that the best way is to some how publicly discredit their cause.
I would be fantastic to catch the leader of the RSPCA in the act of betting on the national, or something much worse.
I understand your point, it is just sometimes they get right up my nose, because I worry about the sports future. It’s not cruel.
It is different for pro racing/ national fans because they are not attacking anything, just defending what they know to be just.
Where was the biggest mistake on the fox hunting campaign made ?
I am very weary of the RSPCA after fox hunting was banned. Not because I had an interest in Fox Hunting , but was very much aware that once they get one sport banned it won’t be the end, but the beginning. The charity is so posed to protect animals from cruelty, I do not see animal cruelty taking place on any race course in this country. With out the existence of racing which the national represents, many or none of the horses in training would not be in existence. They are expensive animals, and therefore the large majority are very well treated and cared for. Horses die from accidents every day with or with out the National.
So why then does the RSPCA deem it as necessary to attack the industry. They Got fox Hunting, they got whip bans, now they want the national. If we continue to adopt the diplomatic stand point and keep giving an inch every time , it is inevitable that they will always keep pushing for the mile. Racing has enough issues without some do gooder sticking their ore in every two minutes.
It needs to be made clear to any one attempting to brand racing as cruel or dangerous, that they have no right to do so. A stand should be made by the BHA.
Who are these people anyway, have they never stepped outside their little comfort zone of the suburban nightmare and taken a look at the world? What is their problem? Horses in this country are treated far better than many people in other countries. They don’t really want to change the world, because if they did they wouldn’t waste time with us.
Is now a good time run around and panic?
How would you change things? Or do we all need to accept ( I can’t) that like the earth, racing is coming to an end?
People like Michael Owen should be seen leading the charge.
I think that Ballydoyle’s remarks on Camelot, perhaps refer largely to temperament, attitude, and trainabilty .
The question is blue brother has any inconsistencies arisen after this period of racing? Have any horses improved where such progression was unlikely?
Do you think it is still ok to use the standard time prior to august 2012 as a standard time for afterwards?
Is what i would like to know is why is the inside of the outer track, significantly lighter in colour compared with the outer?
What have they done to the run in?
Has the inside course been treated any differently?
Where and when or how often has watering taken place?
I am not entirely sure what Hurdy is arguing about.
I, nor any other poster in this thread, has suggested Black Caviar wasn’t suffering from something, or that she ran to form.
I simply think that your thoughts on why they came over are naive, and furthermore, i find it incredibly strange that he ran her if this story is true, given what he’d said prior.
Yes i agree, something is a miss.
Yes I agree BetLarge, and In order to combat the lack of interest I believe banning FOBT and an increased exposure to Racing would generate a greater interest from punters. A very optimistic way of increasing punters attention to racing would be to have a Racing channel free for all, funded by a tote system. A tote system that completely monopolises the betting market in favour of the future of racing.
Racing is in trouble and we all know it too well.
Racing For Change needs to act as a Resistance style movement.
A plan needs to be drawn up to protect the future of this very special sport.
Racing was booming in comparison many years ago because the coverage was free and one of only a few things a punter could bet on. Ultimately this is the formula for success.
Surely there are enough educated and intelligent minds in the top of racing, that if given a blank canvas could come up with a system that worked in equilibrium.