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Indeed.
I’d be interested to know if jockey’s do in fact use video feedback to assess their previous days racing? It must be difficult with the amount of travelling they do but they are professional athletes.
Ertijaal did indeed win which could be warranted to an improvement from it’s last run or the fact that it used the energy available more efficiently.
I was very disappointed with the way American Hope was ridden as the horse would appear to run best when held up, and the sectional timing available would support that. Instead the jockey decided to ride prominently and close to the pace, maybe the jockeys should start taking note of sectional timing?
On sectional timing why would you not want the information available to you, surely the more information we have the greater chance of making it pay. Yes I agree that you can not focus solely on sectional timing or speed figures nor can you on form alone but having more information at hand will give you a clearer picture to how the race might be run.
Horse racing is a very tactical affair in this country and I fully understand why people may not chose to use sectionals but even if the pace is slow we can identify the way horse ran from A to B and what it may be best suited to.
I have to side with Ginger on this argument………..it’s not how fast they run, it’s how they run fast.
That’s the only problem I suppose, but do you expect the average punter to be paying any attention to them?
Do you calculate your own sectionals then?
That’s good to hear Ricky!
I believe the BHA are holding a meeting on sectional timing next week. Ideally sectional timing would be available on all courses but there first port of call would be to have sectionals on all of the AW courses, which would be fantastic.
Don’t let it defeat you, learn from your mistakes and gain a greater understanding of the AW.
It would appear the best flat meeting on offer today is from…………..Kempton!
It’s not going away Ricky.
The irony about this thread is that I’d be doing the complete opposite and not touching racing on the turf for the time being.
Ricky does make some slightly valid points about the AW, but he is far too narrow minded and maybe should have the blinkers removed next time
Yes there have been some instances this season that have made me slightly skeptical about the AW such as the Barney Curley coup and Stephen Arnold attempting the same but miserably failing or did he? I wouldn’t be surprised if he had someone laying his horses.
If you take the time to educate yourself you may find it profitable you may not. I’d definitely say its easier to come to grips with 4 AW tracks than all of the turf tracks and there different intricacies.
Have you thought about analysing your bets on the AW? To see if there is a particular trend with the result? Sometimes the unexplainable happens, just because a horse would appear to be the best in the race it doesn’t mean it will repeat that today.
Hi Ken,
Have you used the sectional times from the previous meetings at Lingfield to help with the AW championships today.
I’m just having a look through the the 2.55 in which Ertijaal is the 4/5 favourite.
7 of the runners ran in the same race as Ertijaal on the 22nd March at Lingfield.Looking at the times it took the runners to complete the last 3f of the race:
American Hope: 33.65
Sir Robert Cheval: 33.87
Alutiq: 33.91
Ertijaal: 34.12I’m sure a point can be made that Ertijaal was drawn the widest that day and expended a lot of energy to take up a front running position and may have a lot more in the tank today. But the other three runners were held up and I suspect there will be 2 or 3 horses in the field that will want to take up a front running position which could cause Ertijaal to expend a similar amount of energy.
What’s your take on the race?
Ricky, how are you so sure that these races on the AW are been run at a crawl? My understanding of the AW is that it can be advantageous to be a front runner or prominent such as Southwell due to the extreme levels of kick back.
I can slightly understand where your coming from in terms of having an opinion that the races are bent, unfortunately I laid one of the horses as part of the Barney Curley coup in January before I knew anything about it and in that instance I don’t think it does any good for the integrity of the sport.
As i’ve previously mentioned I am a fan of the AW and I just think if you chose to understand it a little more you could see that it can be profitable in the long run
New to the forum but an enjoyable read to say the least.
I’m in agreement with Ken and Simon here. I don’t pay much attention to the sectional times at the moment with them only been available at Lingfield but i’m sure one day I will if they are available at all courses. It would be interesting to see the extent of the data produced as I’m sure more than just a figure for each section of the race can be produced from the GPS.
I personally enjoy the AW and would say that racing on the AW is more likely to be run at a true pace than on the turf due to the differences in course characteristics on the flat and there is just a greater consistency on the AW for me. There are obviously differences in each of the AW courses but you can find horses returning to the same course within the same week which can’t be said for the flat.
Yes you do get low grade class 7 races (Which I avoid) but you also get group races and class 2/3 handicaps and with the AW championships I would of said that the popularity has increased which will hopefully lead to more trainers keeping horses running throughout the winter.
New to the forum, never seem to do very well at the festival but thought i’d offer my opinions on the race.
I’m in agreement with BigG, The Liquidators last run should probably be discarded. Kempton was most likely on the sharp side for him and a return to Cheltenham should be a positive.
I won’t be siding with Irving or Vantour as they are too short for my liking in a big field. Irving is yet to go left handed over jumps and Vantour was pushed close by Western Boy a couple of runs ago which would seem better value at 18/1.
Finally i’ve had a small each way bet on Germany Calling. Finished a fair way behind Irving at Kempton last time out but again should appreciate the return to Cheltenham in which he posted a decent time.
