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Nine furlongs is too sharp for the horse IMHO, It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if he gets beaten.
Best of luck to him. A fine horse!
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I hope nobody minds me resurrecting this thread, but I heard a tale about Sir Henry yesterday that made me smile. I was chatting to my barber whilst getting sheared and told him that I’d been out for a ride on my bicycle earlier in the morning. I mentioned that I stopped at a popular little local village store for a drink en route.
This particular shop has become something of a legend locally for a quite incredible revival of the oft lamented old village shop. Alongside providing really top quality local produce they run a sort of Parisian style coffee shop with tables and chairs set out on the paving outside the shop. It is amazingly popular and the tables outside are frequently full even in the middle of the week. Quite a few of the racing fraternity get along there and I often see a trainer or two stopping there for a coffee and a copy of the RP.
Anyway, The little village where the shop stands is named Moulton, which, as people with knowledge of the Newmarket area will know is only a mile or so away from Warren Place. Sir Henry occasionally had a coffee there and a crafty ciggie and by all accounts he also had a passion for sweets with Jelly Babies being a favourite. One afternoon he stopped for a coffee and bought himself a large bag of Jelly Babies, presumably looking forward to a few blissful minutes of peace and quiet.
Before he’d had chance to settle the village school had turned out and many of the mothers collecting kids stop for a chat and a coffee at the shop. Within no time at all the tables and chairs were alive with nattering mothers and kids running around. Sir Henry apparently made the kids gather round while he shared out his bag of Jelly Babies, soon having only an empty paper bag left!
My barber reckons he stood up to leave and with typical Sir Henry charm he engaged the throng of rabbitting ladies and wagged an admonishing finger at them while telling them:
" I really think you ladies should know better than to let your children take sweets from strangers!"
BTW Well done to those who tipped up the French horse. Mr Caution must have uncompromising photos of the stewards or summat! He’s been involved in more enquiries than Poirot over the past month.
I think Riposte may have benefited from a stronger early pace but when all is said and done she probably ran to her best and wasn’t quite good enough on the day. I’m disappointed for my friends but at least the horse made a proper fist of it. I’d rather see a horse beaten fair and square than be left feeling that the jockey didn’t get the best from it or that it was unlucky in running.
She was to be aimed at the Yorkshire Oaks next but I’m not sure whether they’ll stick to that plan now.
If she does run I’ll probably give her another chance.
Ryan Moore for me I think. Not only probably the best jockey on the flat racing circuit at the moment, but he also appears to be an entirely level headed and presentable young man when interviewed too.
St James Palace Stakes
1 point EWJammy Guest 66/1 BET365 -2 (Running Total -2)
Quuen Anne – Declaration Of War – 2 points win +17 (RT +15?)
King’s Stand – Reckless Abandon 2 points win -2 (RT +13)
Prine Of Wales – The Fugue 1 point EW +2.30 ? (RT +15.30)
Royal Hunt Cup – Prince Of Johanne – 1 point EW -2 (RT +13.30)
Ascot Gold Cup – 1pt EW Saddler’s Rock 8/1 Stan James -2 (RT +11.30)
War Command 2000 Guineas 10/1 Stan James 2pts win
Eclipse – Mars – 8/1 Corals – 2pts win
2014 1,000 Guineas – Joyeuse- 2pts win 16/1 Ladbrokes
July Cup -Shea Shea 2pts win 6/1 (Ladbrokes)
Sussex stakes – Dawn Approach 2 points win at SP.
Perhaps they only do price requests for the race markets they have up as I emailed for a price for Riposte for the breeders cup but didn’t state which race, within the hour she was up for the classic at 18’s but if she does run at the meeting 1000% much more likely to go for the other race so emailed them again for a price for the Filly’s and Mare Turf race but as far no response.
I’m always confused as to which race is which at the Breeder’s Cup meeting Nathan. I think she might go there if running well in the Irish race. I’ll check out which race she’s penciled in for and let you know.
pm for you.
He clearly struggles to lay up with group one horses in the vital part of a race but he has finished like a train in every race he has run. Obviously a tad short of top class pace but definitely has stamina. Perhaps he’ll make up into a cup horse one day.
If he runs in the Leger I still fancy him to give a very good account of himself. I wish I’d taken the 16’s when I had the chance now.
No I didn’t.
I do not need to understand the rules to know that the result on Saturday was in accordance with them. I accept that it was.
I just don’t agree that the rules that are in place are acceptable given the fact that the winner kept the race. He ruined another horse’s race and very nearly caused a nasty incident. He should have been thrown out. That’s my personal opinion not a statement of fact.
OK Hammy, sorry for any confusion, I didn’t realise you think the current rules are unfair.
You are therefore claiming that Doyle’s actions were deliberate and constituted dangerous riding. I disagree wholeheartedly with that. What occurred was a dangerous
situation
, not caused by dangerous riding. The stewards decided this was the case and an entire team of television pundits agreed 100% with that before the enquiry ever took place.
Under the old rules Declaration Of War would have been the winner despite being the third best horse on the day. That is fine in the sense that it puts Mukhadram up into second but it is still unfair because Mukhadram would have beaten him without the interference, so his connections would still have been aggrieved. There is never going to be a perfect system but I firmly believe that the one that lets the best horse on merit keep the race is the sensible one and most punters would be happy enough if the boot had been on the other foot and Mukhadram were a worthy winner, allowed to keep the race because of the rules we have in place now.
I can understand your point of view. If I had been completely convinced by Al Kazeem’s dominance I guess any other result would seem unfair to me too.
Having watched the race a few times more I don’t really think the winning jockey carved Mukhadram up intentionally -he had his whip in the correct hand and looked like going clear enough to take his opponents ground- the horse just drifted to the rail a bit. So if I’m understanding you correctly he would likely have kept the race under the old rules too. As I said though -and I accept it is entirely a minority view- I felt that Mukhadram might well get back into contention. His jockey did have to pull his nose up sharply when crossed by the winner which suggested to me that he was still keeping tabs on AK.
It wasn’t really a big deal to me either way tbh. I never had a bet in the race and was more interested in Mars’s performance as I’d tipped him in the Ante Post comp.
Thanks Nathan.
Will Racebets give me a price for Lady Cecil’s horse on request? For the Breeder’s Cup for instance?
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Why? I thought I made it clear enough in my post that I understand that under the modernized rules the horse was able to keep the race.
I just don’t believe that is a fitting result for the race. I think the winner should have been disqualified for markedly hampering another horse and affecting the result of the race.
It doesn’t seem that we to me.
You say you understand the rules
but then state the winner should have been disqualified for markedly hampering another horse and affecting the result of the race. You are plainly contradicting yourself in saying that, because, if you understand and accept the rules as they are now, then those rules say that, because Al Kazeem did not improve his position relative to Mukhadram, the result
has
to stand. The enquiry is only about the two horses involved and their relative positions, it does not matter if Mukhadram had been second, third or tenth, the only question is whether Al Kazeem would have been behind Mukhadram if that rival had enjoyed a clear run. The Stewards decided he wouldn’t have and I think most observers would agree that this was the case.
As for a fitting result, I am of the belief that the best horse on the day keeping the win is the most fitting result of all for horse racing. The alternative would have been Declaration Of War winning it, when he was only the third best horse on the day. If that is your idea of a more fitting result, then we obviously have different senses of what is best for the game. Of course, I respect your right to have your own opinion but based on the evidence of Saturday’s race and a very similar race between the two at Ascot, where Al Kazeem proved the stronger in the closing stages, I am as confident as I can be that Mukhadram would NOT have won regardless of the interference.
No I didn’t.
I do not need to understand the rules to know that the result on Saturday was in accordance with them. I accept that it was.
I just don’t agree that the rules that are in place are acceptable given the fact that the winner kept the race. He ruined another horse’s race and very nearly caused a nasty incident. He should have been thrown out. That’s my personal opinion not a statement of fact.
You and me both Jac, and unlike everybody else it seems I actually thought Mukhadram looked like he was rallying at the time of the incident. You can tell he was still keeping tabs on the eventual winner by the savage way the former was pulled to hand by his jock when shoved into the rails.
Personally I thought the fact the winner kept the race to be a poor indictment on the rules of modern racing.
Sorry Hammy, but you really need to familiarise yourself with the rules as they are now.
Typically, given the scenario, Willie Haggas felt hard done by and was seething afterwards. You can understand that, particularly as he has been pretty much feeding off scraps this season, rather than getting a seat at the big banqueting table.
The rules clearly state that, unless the horse causing the interference has improved his place in relation to the horse interfered with, then the result should remain unaltered. In the case of
any
uncertainty, the benefit of the doubt is given to the horse who finished in front. I am sure Willie Haggas is well aware of the rules and, if the boot were on the other foot, he would have been more than happy to accept that his horse kept the race based on these rules.
I don’t quite understand what you are trying to say regarding the "savage way" comment and it’s indicative value regarding Mukhadram’s chance of getting back up. To my eyes Al Kazeem was always going to finish a little bit further ahead this time. I don’t have stats to hand but after watching racing for over 30 years I firmly believe that when a horse has his measure taken at that stage of the race, most times they don’t get back up, and there was no indication that Al Kazeem was losing momentum. We heard it touted before the race that the winner was the price he was because of the suspicion that, ideally, he’d want a little further, so it would seem doubtful he would have weakened. The OP stated that it was dangerous riding, I disagree and so did the stewards. Just after the race the entire Channel 4 team agreed that there was no way the result would be altered and that the Jockey might get a little holiday instead. I think five days was harsh for having "allowed your horse to wander across", when other jockeys got a four day ban for an utter dereliction of duty in obtaining the best possible for their mounts by allowing a horse to freewheel into an unassailable lead before making any effort to peg him back all too late. That is highly inconsistent in my mind.
Why? I thought I made it clear enough in my post that I understand that under the modernized rules the horse was able to keep the race.
I just don’t believe that is a fitting result for the race. I think the winner should have been disqualified for markedly hampering another horse and affecting the result of the race.
Having watched this race again and again I can’t believe that Al Kazeem was allowed to keep the race.
James Doyle deserves his suspension for dangerous riding, we could have been looking at a serious accident for both jockey and horse and Paul Hanagan was lucky not to be thrown over the rail and the horse not to have been brought down.
Jacqueline Quest lost the 2010 1,000 Guineas in favour of Special Duty in the Stewards Room for wandering across the course, no dangerous riding there just a tired horse and yet stewards reversed her placing.
Mukhadram was denied any chance to fight his way back into the lead, although I believe he was a beaten horse once passed he would most certainly have taken 2nd place and that is where the Stewards should have focused their attention.
Out of interest take a look at this replay of the race on You Tube
put it into PAUSE MODE and go to FRAME 1.52 in the race where you get a good shot of the two jockeys for about 1 or 2 seconds, FREEZE FRAME and then decide if James Doyle looks here at this split second in time like a jockey intent on keeping his horse in a straight line, he has taken his eye of the ball and the horse has drifted into Mukhadrams path.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOn8gG7_rw
In that freeze shot Hannigans head was down but Doyle was looking across at Mukhadram…
How not to ride a finishYou and me both Jac, and unlike everybody else it seems I actually thought Mukhadram looked like he was rallying at the time of the incident. You can tell he was still keeping tabs on the eventual winner by the savage way the former was pulled to hand by his jock when shoved into the rails.
Personally I thought the fact the winner kept the race to be a poor indictment on the rules of modern racing.
St James Palace Stakes
1 point EWJammy Guest 66/1 BET365 -2 (Running Total -2)
Quuen Anne – Declaration Of War – 2 points win +17 (RT +15?)
King’s Stand – Reckless Abandon 2 points win -2 (RT +13)
Prine Of Wales – The Fugue 1 point EW +2.30 ? (RT +15.30)
Royal Hunt Cup – Prince Of Johanne – 1 point EW -2 (RT +13.30)
Ascot Gold Cup – 1pt EW Saddler’s Rock 8/1 Stan James -2 (RT +11.30)
War Command 2000 Guineas 10/1 Stan James 2pts win
Eclipse – Mars – 8/1 Corals – 2pts win
2014 1,000 Guineas – Joyeuse- 2pts win 16/1 Ladbrokes
July Cup -Shea Shea 2pts win 6/1 (Ladbrokes)
