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Good pick there Tony. I took Treat Gently with my eyes shut on this one and shouldve looked into it more.
What price did you manage to get in the end? Hope it was a good one
I might be the only one that thinks this but that was not a Group 3 performance by ANY standards. Given his last win out at the Curragh he hasn’t improved a great deal to be honest although there wasn’t much of a gallop so his turn of foot was decent but you will probably find that the class is pulling him through the 7 furlongs at the moment and will benefit from further, there will defiantly be quicker 2yo’s over the 7f trip to come and Rip Van Winkle isn’t one of them.
If there is a 2yo to take from Ireland thus far it has to be David Watchman’s Bushranger.Wilson
Bushranger just won a Group 1 in France today
6f Grp1 wasnt it?
I cant help but think it might be wiser to keep Bushranger at 6f and not rise him in trip. Could be next years superstar sprinter in my opinion
He’s down to race at the Breeders Cup Classic at the moment and not the Breeders Cup Turf. Same goes for HTN.
So…its HTN going out of his comfort zone. How can HTN prepare for that? I was sure he’d go on grass if he went to the Breeders Cup
Havent seen the race yet but am reliably informed Bushranger gave a good account of himself?
Thats another rather good bit of form backing up Mastercraftsman
I’ve been tempted to go for Bushranger for this one.
I liked the form Bushranger was showing before being beaten by Mastercraftsman last month and at 5/1 I think Bushranger is great value. It’s even more tempting due to this being Murtagh’s only ride at Deauville today.
Bit suprised that Chapple-Hyam’s Exceptional Art has been sent to this one. It may be in desperation but Exceptional Art has only had one maiden win prior to this group one entry. Is PC-H just desperately trying for a Grp1 now?
Am I right in thinking that at the moment it’ll be Curlin v HTN v Colonel John with the added possibility of Big Brown running too?
I read in the RP that Curlins team have issued a challenge to Big Brown and if he were to turn up too surely we’d have the race of the season on our hands?
Hi Tony,
Sorry – that was the forecast price. I see Coastal Path is 8/11 at current odds
Haha surely he couldnt run either of those?
Kingdom of Naples hasnt run since 2007 and at a mile wasnt it?
I’d love to see AOB come up with a dark horse though. Would certainly spice up the market again and give the Leger another turn!
What’s your opinion on the likes of Unsung Heroine and Conduit on this one?
On the subject of WI, 28-1 in places at the moment which with a run wouldnt be a bad bet.
I can definitely see this being a smaller than anticipated field when it comes to Leger day though. Looking at the list of current entries I cant see many that I think will still be in come the next round of declarations
Dan
I think that Chris Hoy might just nick if from Adlington on the day.
Fickle memories of some of the general public will forget how good Adlington was to break that record. Hoy’s 4 gold medals from 2 games in 4 seperate cycling events is remarkable.
I dont think Chris Hoy could ever have been beaten and does he not bow out, if he chooses to retire, unbeaten in the last few years?
I think with Washington Irving it’s not a case of not fancying him on my part I just think AOB will only run Alessandro Volta as first choice probably with Heffernan on Moonstone. Since the Irish Oaks that has looked to be the sure route for Moonstone injuries-pending.
On another note with Washington Irving, he did run a pretty poor normal race under Murtagh at Leopardstown last week albeit on heavy ground and that would slightly put me off if he did run. But saying that, and probably contradicting myself here, if AOB did decide to run Washington Irving as one of his top two for the St Leger it must mean he can get the trip and do himself justice over it.
Was quite suprised by the betting on this race.
Morning price of 3-1 for River Proud, went to put a bet on it 10mins before and River Proud was 8/11! Managed to get 2/1 on Betfair but the horse still didnt ride his best.
Pasquier gave an uncharacteristic performance on Twice Over I thought.
Was it Pasquier who was on Twice Over on his last Grp2 win? That was a pretty decent ride in all fairness
Sorry chaps. Didnt notice this thread.
Heres my response regarding the Leger should the other thread be deleted:
Hi Clive,
Patkai was extremley dissapointing for me today. I felt from a long way out that Winston seemed to be sitting too far off the pace for me and it was a strange dip down in trip from the last Ascot run. If Patkai was to stand a chance in today’s trip I wouldve liked to see Stoute send him to a smaller class 1m4f somwhere between today and the Ascot run.
Top Lock seemd the class in the race to me and seems to be able to run on any ground and this is why I’d prefer Top Lock to Centennial for the Leger. That’s if Centennial is even supplimented!
I’ve taken a nice price of 26/1 on Unsung Heroine a few weeks back and am enjoying seeing the price drop rapidly which makes me think Unsung Heroine will be a certain entry.
If Look Here does come back and gets a run before the Leger I’ll possibly edge towards her. The run at Epson was sublime.
Don’t forget Moonstone and Doctor Freemantle though who, with the right preperation before hand, could most certainly seem under price on today’s prices come Leger day.
Dan
To blame Manning for today’s defeat is laughable. That said, DOM clearly got the run of the race by virtue of being the more uncomplicated beast- he was always handy, had cover and was able to challenge on the rail at exactly the right time. NA fought for his head as usual, Manning did well to settle him but he still ran free and had to challenge wide- I thought he ran well for a horse that had been off since the Derby. DOM is a bit like Giant’s Causeway in that he doesn’t get the credit he deserves from all quarters because he just does enough to win, but he keeps winning.
The rematch? Only a fool or an optimist would bet on a different result given that New Approach’s failings are even more likely to be exposed around a track like Leopardstown.
If I were Jim Bolger? Breeder’s Cup Classic, send him from the gate!Agree on the summary there that the Duke would beat NA at the Champions Stakes in two weeks. I think NA will be more healthy and race-ready but still cant see NA beating the Duke on current habits (pulling too early etc)
I must say, I’m slightly dissapointed we aren’t getting the rematch I definitely craved a few months back. HTN vs NA at this distance wouldve been mouthwatering seeing as it’s the happy-medium distancewise for both.
Hi Clive,
Patkai was extremley dissapointing for me today. I felt from a long way out that Winston seemed to be sitting too far off the pace for me and it was a strange dip down in trip from the last Ascot run. If Patkai was to stand a chance in today’s trip I wouldve liked to see Stoute send him to a smaller class 1m4f somwhere between today and the Ascot run.
Top Lock seemd the class in the race to me and seems to be able to run on any ground and this is why I’d prefer Top Lock to Centennial for the Leger. That’s if Centennial is even supplimented!
I’ve taken a nice price of 26/1 on Unsung Heroine a few weeks back and am enjoying seeing the price drop rapidly which makes me think Unsung Heroine will be a certain entry.
If Look Here does come back and gets a run before the Leger I’ll possibly edge towards her. The run at Epson was sublime.
Don’t forget Moonstone and Doctor Freemantle though who, with the right preperation before hand, could most certainly seem under price on today’s prices come Leger day.
Dan
Took the option of Penny’s Gift today after previous statements from Hannon, prior to the recent thrashing in the Newbury Super Sprint, stating that Penny’s Gift was a star in the making.
The trip definitely suits and I’d be somewhat intregued to see where Richard Hannon sends Penny’s Gift next.
Took Zarkava at 7/1 a few months back and believe she is one of the best in the world right now. However, it’s definitely not cut and dry.
The Duke wont go to the Arc, I think Aidan O Brien hinted generously at that today in stating that Soldier of Fortune and Frozen Fire are being set up for the Arc.
As for NA, Jim Bolger stated a month or so back that NA would only run twice more this season and albeit Jim seems to go back on his word more often than Chinese judges cheat at the Olympics I can’t see NA going to the Arc….at the moment.
I’m more worried about Soldier of Fortune, with a very carefully placed rest, jeapordising my excellently timed ante-post bet on Zarkava.
As for todays race…..NA never got into it. I honestly feel that the trip is now too short for NA. If NA is going to pull that hard at the beginning of a race on a consistent basis then the horse needs a longer distance to get back in touch and push on. Over the course of 1m4f I have no doubt NA wouldve beaten the Duke today as he seemed to be just picking up some speed at the 1m1f mark.
Phoenix Tower and Pipedreamer both shocked me today if I’m honest. I’d love to see Pipedreamer go over a mile now as I really think Pipedreamer had the better chance out of the two (Pipe/PT) at that mark. It’s just a matter of whether Johnny Gosden can find a decent mile to place Pipedreamer in that a)won’t see Pipedreamer match with Tamayuz or HTN and b)won’t hinder Raven’s Pass’ chances at winning a top class group mile race.
Dan
