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But it’s good to know you will carry on moaning.
Like you are moaning DP? About someone wanting a debate about racing, on a racing discussion forum?
Stick to a debate and stop the name calling please.
Piss off!
It’s not difficult to ride a horse without using the whip but, it appears, the "racing fan" can’t face watching the sport anymore if they can’t witness horses being hit!
You are certainly well named as
Deep Sensation
was the bridle horse of all bridle horses but then came along a bruiser of a horse who wouldn’t do a thing without the use of the whip…
Viking flagship
,how many times did he beat you?
Erm never because I’m not a horse
But it’s good to know you will carry on moaning. I’m looking forward to seeing your race reading skills that will be able to spot each horse that would’ve won, if only the jockey could have hit it a few more times!
Well if those jockeys aren’t intelligent enough to adapt their riding styles to the new rules, then yes they will be affected.
How you can call a rule that limits the amount of times a horse can be hit with a whip as "pathetic" is beyond comprehension!
As, for you, racing is doomed from Monday can I ask what you will do come Oct 10th?
Will you:
1. Never ever watch horse racing again?
2. Never ever bet on horse racing again?
3. Carry on watching & betting?
I will on occassions no doubt be frustrated/dissapointed/Gutted at a result that would have been different had a Jockey been allowed to use his/her discretion in the amount of use of the whip required to win because as it stands jockeys will have used up their quota before even being allowed to ride a finish and those cases will get highlighted for all the wrong reasons….ERGH Non Trying!
I see, so you’re going to carry on watching & betting but continue to moan as well. Yep, you really are a true "racing fan"!
Jockeys will now have to learn a different way of "encouraging" a horse to forward without resorting to the whip.
Such as? Perhaps you mean riding with "hands and heels"?
Do you really believe that once the whip is banned, the Animal Welfare brigade won’t start in on this "hands and heels" technique? Our "hands and heels" is regularly described by the Animal Welfare people as "booting a horse in the belly". It is just as "cruel" as the whip and just as much aimed at pushing the horse through the pain barrier, which is what the RSPCA charter wishes to see banned, when it comes to using animals for entertainment.
That is therefore next on the agenda, on the way to a total ban on racing. Your pious hope that "the buck stops here" is exactly what the opposition relies on, and you should perhaps examine their agenda before you help them out.
Where or when did I mention a total whip ban, the Animal Rights brigade or hands & heels races?
A good horseman doesn’t have to resort to the whip to get a horse moving.
Loving your paranoia that everyone is out to ban horse racing! No one with any power and/or intelligence listens to the Animal Rights nutters.
This new whip rule came into effect after a public outcry from a brutal ride from Jason Maguire in the world’s most watched horse race, not because some looney Animal rights group.
So Pinza, when are you going to "leave the game" because the National fences aren’t as big as they used to be, big races aren’t run midweek or even at the same track as they used to be or jockeys can no longer whip a horse as many times as he wants to?
In that example – I don’t see any sh*t hitting the fan. I see a jockey breaking the new rules and a horse that obviously doesn’t want to run being forced to do so by a jockey hitting it!
No i didn’t think you would funnily enough,we’ll see when Jockeys livelyhoods are being affected by these pathetic rules,particularly when its 20-30k thats being taken off them.The Sh*t will hit it big time then and its coming!
Well if those jockeys aren’t intelligent enough to adapt their riding styles to the new rules, then yes they will be affected.
How you can call a rule that limits the amount of times a horse can be hit with a whip as "pathetic" is beyond comprehension!
As, for you, racing is doomed from Monday can I ask what you will do come Oct 10th?
Will you:
1. Never ever watch horse racing again?
2. Never ever bet on horse racing again?
3. Carry on watching & betting?
In that example – I don’t see any sh*t hitting the fan. I see a jockey breaking the new rules and a horse that obviously doesn’t want to run being forced to do so by a jockey hitting it!
Jockeys will now have to learn a different way of "encouraging" a horse to forward without resorting to the whip.
It’s not difficult to ride a horse without using the whip but, it appears, the "racing fan" can’t face watching the sport anymore if they can’t witness horses being hit!
So all of you "racing fans" are going to walk away from the sport from Monday, are you? Just because a jockey can’t hit a horse as many times as he used to?
Total stupidity.
DS
The Sh*t will hit the fan big time, sooner, rather than later!Perhaps you could suggest how the "sh*t is going to hit the fan" because a jockey is restricted to how many times he/she can hit a horse?
to suggest that Racing is doomed because jockeys are now limited to how many times they can hit a horse is stupid. It goes to show the general lack of intelligence of the "racing fan".
Jockeys will have to adapt to the new rules. The ones that can’t will disappear. The new jockeys coming through will be better riders without resorting to the stick as a first resort.
What a totally stupid post. The sooner "racing fans" like this poster leave the game the better!
Deep – For pity’s sake have a day off. Selling pictures with no artificial delay is right at the heart of ATR’s business plan. The SIS home service was 7k a year last I checked, the crippleware is free.
You have proof of this do you Glenn? A very libelous statement to make. Let’s hope the ATR lawyers don’t see it.
Deep Sensation , to me you have joined the list of bookie apologists, posting on here , ATR , IS BASICALLY a site run by and for bookies , Betfair is the main sponsor of their USA racing , they are part of the picture , its not wholly inconceivable that the extra delay benefits their major players , operating from SIS or from the course live, who will be paying a massive rate of premium charges……but then again , you speak for the enemy IMO
I will be watching you sir
Ricky
What a totally absurd post. So now anyone who can explain why there is a delay in pictures is working for the bookies?
I’ll leave you lunatics to get on with your conspiracy theories.
The delay is artificial and palpably related to in-running betting. Surely nobody could seriously dispute this.
The initial extra delay was re-instated the day
after
they changed transponders, when they realised that they’d hadn’t tacked on the extra artifical delay.
The further delay was added on the day premium charge 3 was introduced.
If anyone here thinks that’s coincidence, given past form, then I don’t know what to say.
None of the explanations ATR have given for the delay held any water (I was told once that it related to 10 miles of fibre optic cables in their office – it must take so long to navigate those…at the speed of light
) and they appear to have given up making excuses now.Glen, are you seriously suggesting that part of ATR’s business plan is to deliberately delay pictures in order to help in-running punters at the racecourse?
Lunatic conspiracy theories like that are exactly why ATR don’t respond to emails to them (a bit like NASA don’t respond to the lunatic theories about the moon landings).
SIS (ATR production company) did reply to one person, which simply stated that it was down to the transponder given to them by Sky that controlled the delivery of pictures to the viewers. This was copied and pasted onto the Betfair forum. Of course, that did nothing to placate the idiots on Betfair.
There isn’t any point in ATR making public statements about the delay. No answer they can give will satisfy the 20 odd people in forum land who continually comment on this and would just lead to more emails and questioning.
The delay is down to the way the pictures are technically delivered to the viewer. Very simple to understand really, but very hard for those who live in conspiracy land.
Ricky,
if you believe that At The Races are doing something wrong, instead of complaining on a forum where nothing can be done, try contacting Ofcom.
They have a standard of how many seconds / minutes a broadcast can be delayed before it can no longer be described as "Live".
Of course, once you do contact Ofcom, they will confirm that ATR fall well within that standard and therefore are not breaking any broadcast rules.
The ONLY reason that ATR pictures are delayed as much as they are is because of the transponder they are given by Sky.
To deliver faster pictures would increase the running costs of ATR and that would result in ATR having to go down the subscriber route. And probably having to charge more than RUK do.
If you, or anyone else in forum land, think that ATR deliberately put in a delay to screw up in running betting, you/they are clearly deluded!
As for that "little bird" who told you it was all to do with the Premium Charge on betfair, I can only assume that bird is one of the lunatics on the betfair forum!
It’s just not acceptable any more to hit a horse to make it go faster.
Not to you. Please don’t speak for most of us racing fans.
So horse racing fans like to see horses hit with a stick?
Doesn’t make great reading, does it?
Every argument I see for the whip just strengthens the argument against it.
sooner or later the whip will be banned and once one country does it, be it the UK or elsewhere, the rest of the world will follow.
It’s just not acceptable any more to hit a horse to make it go faster.
is it me, or did At The Races spend more time broadcasting live from Cheltenham train station for the Festival than they have done from Ascot this year?
When they’ve got a free rein to do what they want from Ascot, we see more of Chapman in his booth (ridiculously dressed in full morning dress) than at the racecourse. Surely they could do some nice features to fill the time?
