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  • #373435
    Eclipse First
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    To ignore the opinion of the general public, whether real or manufactured by the media, is crass stupidity.

    I have two words to say to that, EF –

    STEVE JOBS

    !

    A mention on a racing forum is hardly a glowing obit. An individual has a singular purpose, whereas racing is littered with groups and individuals with their own agendas, thus racing as a whole is perceived to be fragmented, which this forum clearly proves.

    #373437
    KINGFISHER
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    "deep sensation":3c0k7v4i wrote:

    Perhaps you could suggest how the "sh*t is going to hit the fan" because a jockey is restricted to how many times he/she can hit a horse?

    I’ll give you the simplest example there is seeing how you obviously cant see the wood from the trees.
    A 3m chaser reluctant to start often gets a crack or 2 to get it going,they wont count as they are before the off,they get going though and the jockey has to give him 1 crack to go with the rest of the field,they jump the first and the horse makes a mistake,he loses ground going to the second so again the whip is used,twice this time as this particular horse is renowned for being a lazy bug*er,does any horse in particular come to mind yet? He’s back on the bridle again and jumps cleanly for the next mile,up to now the whip has been used 5 times in total but only 3 counting.On the second circuit,horse very much like Reve de sivola starts to lose interest again and his jockey has to resort to the whip which incredibly to the likes of you actually encourages him on again,its taken another 2 sweeteners though to get him back in some sort of contention,thats 5 accountable strikes,we’re approaching 3 out and said horse is beginning to grab hold of the bridle and is in serious contention,one down the shoulder makes it 6 strikes jumping 2 out and he’s only 2 lengths down going to the last they are in full flight,a slight mistake and 1 big one makes it 7 strikes,up the hill they go and another 2 srikes see’s victory,both horse and Jockey have given all and the best horse has won.Jockey goes before the stewards,adrenalin pumping and is asked how many times did you strike the horse? 8 Sir,No it was 9 and for all your efforts you have just lost your riding fee and winners percentage of £5000! And thats just 1 example!

    #373439
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    In that example – I don’t see any sh*t hitting the fan. I see a jockey breaking the new rules and a horse that obviously doesn’t want to run being forced to do so by a jockey hitting it!

    Jockeys will now have to learn a different way of "encouraging" a horse to forward without resorting to the whip.

    It’s not difficult to ride a horse without using the whip but, it appears, the "racing fan" can’t face watching the sport anymore if they can’t witness horses being hit!

    #373440
    KINGFISHER
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    I also totally agree that the original poster has a right to his/her opinion but,I’m also wondering why someone would feel it necessary to open a new thread on this subject when we already have another long with many people expressing strongly held opinions still going strong.

    Ken,
    The idea of this thread is to show those horses/races that will be affected by these new ridiculous rules and how the results

    Will be affected

    !

    #373441
    KINGFISHER
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    In that example – I don’t see any sh*t hitting the fan. I see a jockey breaking the new rules and a horse that obviously doesn’t want to run being forced to do so by a jockey hitting it!

    No i didn’t think you would funnily enough,we’ll see when Jockeys livelyhoods are being affected by these pathetic rules,particularly when its 20-30k thats being taken off them.The Sh*t will hit it big time then and its coming!

    #373443
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    To ignore the opinion of the general public, whether real or manufactured by the media, is crass stupidity.

    I have two words to say to that, EF –

    STEVE JOBS

    !

    A mention on a racing forum is hardly a glowing obit. An individual has a singular purpose, whereas racing is littered with groups and individuals with their own agendas, thus racing as a whole is perceived to be fragmented, which this forum clearly proves.

    I mention him, because he despised market research, focus groups and media/public opinion. He went his own way, and gave people "the best" as he and he alone saw it. His approach is therefore 180 degrees opposed to the BHA, who believe that responding to "what uninterested people want" with committee fudges will somehow bring the public through the turnstiles and into the betting shops.

    As lovers of British Horse Racing, we need to stop accusing one another of stupidity, stop listening to the marketing gurus, and believe in what we’re doing rather than feeling guilty and morally uncertain about it. At root, that is the problem.

    The unnecessary fuss over whip usage is in truth a symptom, not a cause, of Racing’s disease. It amounts to someone on the Titanic pointing a hair-dryer at the iceberg, and assuring us it will solve the problem.

    #373446
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    In that example – I don’t see any sh*t hitting the fan. I see a jockey breaking the new rules and a horse that obviously doesn’t want to run being forced to do so by a jockey hitting it!

    No i didn’t think you would funnily enough,we’ll see when Jockeys livelyhoods are being affected by these pathetic rules,particularly when its 20-30k thats being taken off them.The Sh*t will hit it big time then and its coming!

    Well if those jockeys aren’t intelligent enough to adapt their riding styles to the new rules, then yes they will be affected.

    How you can call a rule that limits the amount of times a horse can be hit with a whip as "pathetic" is beyond comprehension!

    As, for you, racing is doomed from Monday can I ask what you will do come Oct 10th?

    Will you:

    1. Never ever watch horse racing again?

    2. Never ever bet on horse racing again?

    3. Carry on watching & betting?

    #373447
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    Jockeys will now have to learn a different way of "encouraging" a horse to forward without resorting to the whip.

    Such as? Perhaps you mean riding with "hands and heels"?

    Do you really believe that once the whip is banned, the Animal Welfare brigade won’t start in on this "hands and heels" technique? Our "hands and heels" is regularly described by the Animal Welfare people as "booting a horse in the belly". It is just as "cruel" as the whip and just as much aimed at pushing the horse through the pain barrier, which is what the RSPCA charter wishes to see banned, when it comes to using animals for entertainment.

    That is therefore next on the agenda, on the way to a total ban on racing. Your pious hope that "the buck stops here" is exactly what the opposition relies on, and you should perhaps examine their agenda before you help them out.

    #373448
    Gingertipster
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    If more genuine racehorses win, what’s the problem?

    In my opinion the horses who regularly refuse to race should not be racing anyway.

    New rules are going to be difficult for us punters, but still believe the changes (or most of them) worth it.

    value is everything
    #373449
    deep sensation
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    Jockeys will now have to learn a different way of "encouraging" a horse to forward without resorting to the whip.

    Such as? Perhaps you mean riding with "hands and heels"?

    Do you really believe that once the whip is banned, the Animal Welfare brigade won’t start in on this "hands and heels" technique? Our "hands and heels" is regularly described by the Animal Welfare people as "booting a horse in the belly". It is just as "cruel" as the whip and just as much aimed at pushing the horse through the pain barrier, which is what the RSPCA charter wishes to see banned, when it comes to using animals for entertainment.

    That is therefore next on the agenda, on the way to a total ban on racing. Your pious hope that "the buck stops here" is exactly what the opposition relies on, and you should perhaps examine their agenda before you help them out.

    Where or when did I mention a total whip ban, the Animal Rights brigade or hands & heels races?

    A good horseman doesn’t have to resort to the whip to get a horse moving.

    Loving your paranoia that everyone is out to ban horse racing! No one with any power and/or intelligence listens to the Animal Rights nutters.

    This new whip rule came into effect after a public outcry from a brutal ride from Jason Maguire in the world’s most watched horse race, not because some looney Animal rights group.

    So Pinza, when are you going to "leave the game" because the National fences aren’t as big as they used to be, big races aren’t run midweek or even at the same track as they used to be or jockeys can no longer whip a horse as many times as he wants to?

    #373452
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    In that example – I don’t see any sh*t hitting the fan. I see a jockey breaking the new rules and a horse that obviously doesn’t want to run being forced to do so by a jockey hitting it!

    No i didn’t think you would funnily enough,we’ll see when Jockeys livelyhoods are being affected by these pathetic rules,particularly when its 20-30k thats being taken off them.The Sh*t will hit it big time then and its coming!

    Well if those jockeys aren’t intelligent enough to adapt their riding styles to the new rules, then yes they will be affected.

    How you can call a rule that limits the amount of times a horse can be hit with a whip as "pathetic" is beyond comprehension!

    As, for you, racing is doomed from Monday can I ask what you will do come Oct 10th?

    Will you:

    1. Never ever watch horse racing again?

    2. Never ever bet on horse racing again?

    3. Carry on watching & betting?

    I will on occassions no doubt be frustrated/dissapointed/Gutted at a result that would have been different had a Jockey been allowed to use his/her discretion in the amount of use of the whip required to win because as it stands jockeys will have used up their quota before even being allowed to ride a finish and those cases will get highlighted for all the wrong reasons….ERGH Non Trying!

    #373455
    deep sensation
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    Well if those jockeys aren’t intelligent enough to adapt their riding styles to the new rules, then yes they will be affected.

    How you can call a rule that limits the amount of times a horse can be hit with a whip as "pathetic" is beyond comprehension!

    As, for you, racing is doomed from Monday can I ask what you will do come Oct 10th?

    Will you:

    1. Never ever watch horse racing again?

    2. Never ever bet on horse racing again?

    3. Carry on watching & betting?

    I will on occassions no doubt be frustrated/dissapointed/Gutted at a result that would have been different had a Jockey been allowed to use his/her discretion in the amount of use of the whip required to win because as it stands jockeys will have used up their quota before even being allowed to ride a finish and those cases will get highlighted for all the wrong reasons….ERGH Non Trying!

    I see, so you’re going to carry on watching & betting but continue to moan as well. Yep, you really are a true "racing fan"!

    #373457
    KINGFISHER
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    It’s not difficult to ride a horse without using the whip but, it appears, the "racing fan" can’t face watching the sport anymore if they can’t witness horses being hit!

    You are certainly well named as

    Deep Sensation

    was the bridle horse of all bridle horses but then came along a bruiser of a horse who wouldn’t do a thing without the use of the whip…

    Viking flagship

    ,how many times did he beat you?

    #373461
    deep sensation
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    It’s not difficult to ride a horse without using the whip but, it appears, the "racing fan" can’t face watching the sport anymore if they can’t witness horses being hit!

    You are certainly well named as

    Deep Sensation

    was the bridle horse of all bridle horses but then came along a bruiser of a horse who wouldn’t do a thing without the use of the whip…

    Viking flagship

    ,how many times did he beat you?

    Erm never because I’m not a horse :roll:

    But it’s good to know you will carry on moaning. I’m looking forward to seeing your race reading skills that will be able to spot each horse that would’ve won, if only the jockey could have hit it a few more times!

    #373465
    Gingertipster
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    But it’s good to know you will carry on moaning.

    Like you are moaning DP? About someone wanting a debate about racing, on a racing discussion forum?

    Stick to a debate and stop the name calling please.

    value is everything
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