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Holberg was 6th in a Melbourne Cup on Soft ground and was hardly disgraced on Gd/Sft LTO so I don’t think the softening ground is against him as much as some of the others.
That was a bit workmanlike. If Zoffany had been mid-division instead of at the back he could have won.
Actually if you care to read it again, my post attacked what you posted and not you
In addition, the points raised by Cav merit discussion, particularly in the context of this thread.
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– David – you must be missing the football season. This is not really the forum for the likes of you is it? Funny though!!!Not sure what the football season has anything to do with this thread. But sure if you can’t take criticism or come up with a decent response then by all means throw in a personal insult or 2.
Cav – I’m sure this will be a very popular post and I’m sure it tells us a lot more about you than it does about SIR Henry.
At least it speaks the truth and says a lot more of substance than the fawning crap that you posted above.
The use of value is dependent on the number of horses backed per season/year/lifetime/whatever
For example
You go into a casino and play roulette (numbers 0-36). Usually you get odds of 35/1 about each number but this casino is having a special where they are offering 37/1 about ZERO.
How many times will a value punter have to play ZERO before he shows a profit?
37?
370?
3700?
37000?Anyway I suppose my point is that you need winners AND value but that the WINNERS aspect is more important. IMO, however it is better to see what you think can actually win the race first and then see what you think of the price rather than backing a 50/1 shot at 66/1 because the price is value.
Everyone uses value to one extent or another, either subconsciously or not. Some are just less a slave to it than others.
Take Frankel for example. You won’t meet many who don’t think he will win on Tuesday. But not everyone will back him at the 4/11 or whatever he is at the moment. If he was 11/4 though nearly everyone would back him. So, without compiling a tissue, a lot of people would consider the 4/11 NOT value but would consider 11/4 as VALUE.
Likewise take Luke Donald. You backed him at 8/1 – well done. If he was 4/1 would you have backed him? What about 2/1 or evs. Again, without actually compiling a tissue, you have subconsciously decided that the 8/1 is value.
You don’t need a tissue to determine value but it probably helps
You mean the salacious gossip and malacious lies that appear in the tabloids and glossy mags on virtually a daily basis.
All forums (or should that be fora?) are tarred with the same brush and unfortunately that means they are regarded as on a par with the worst and least-moderated forum and we all know where that forum is anyway.
On another point, I’ve seen excellent opinions posted on here and on other sites which have appeared in the print media not long after masquerading as original material with no credit given whatsoever to the source.
Max Clifford should start sponsoring the Premiership (or at least the League Cup) given the amount of money he makes out of it
Every horse is beatable though, especially with team tactics.
Who knows what will happen Frankel if he tries to do the same in the St James Palace and another horse stays with him by treating the race as a 5-furlong spoiler
