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In order for us to discuss your method/system you would have to first of all explain how it works which for one reason or another you are unable to do.
Hi Ethan,
If this had been my objective I would have posted in the "Systems" section of the forum!
I am not unable to, I just have no intention of doing so in the manner you seek. I am not here to make anyones life easier without some effort from that individual.
I’m still not entirely sure that this is or isn’t an extremely skillful " fishing trip"
Hi Sean,
I assure you it most definitely is not and I appreciate an open mind, no matter what direction it goes in.pointless personal abuse, lack of comprehension, failure to read what is written, and blinkered fantasising are all long-standing normal ingredients of racing message-boards. This one is as bad as any, imo – and I’ve been on most!
It must be all very different from the academic world of higher mathematics, I guess!
Appreciate the nod, wish I had known this beforehand… but as a wise old man [mathematics professor] once said… even a fool has something to say which we can learn from
And it looks like I will be learning a lot in here then!Anyway, keep posting, please.
I intend to!
Cal,
You talk about the shared experiences of other pro-punters.
What did you think about Dave Nevison and Patrick Veitch’s lifestyles as detailed in their recent books?
Hi Adrian,
I havn’t read the books from cover to cover, but from the bits that I have seen I think if you got every pro-gambler in a room it may be fairly typical.
I don’t seem to suffer from the stress that is emphasised, but then again, I don’t approach things the same way.
When I developed how I do things it was simple and really took no input from me so became pretty emotionless as I didn’t have to make any decision as to whether I liked what the method was telling me. All I had to do was to place, or not place, a bet. Even the amount was predicted for me according to the size of my bank. Please don’t confuse this with "enjoyment" because I love to watch and frequently attend horseracing events, as a spetacle I think it is second to none.
Watch me get hammered now because my experience is different and doesn’t really conform to the norm. Oh well, you asked a question so I answered
Caledon – only a mug would bet somebody else’s selections without first proofing them for at least a month. You think if you put up a horse that we are all going to lump on based on your unsubstantiated claims – get a grip on yourself.
I don’t want anyone to bet my selections – when did I suggest that? I hopefully wanted people to ask some intelligent questions and I would give intelligent answers in a manner that might lead them to investigate what I said and maybe, just maybe, they could work out a better way themselves. Even if I told everyone what I did, it would make no difference to me or my methods. But then that would turn me into a "Tipster" and in my opinion a parasite.
Somebody comes on here and in their first post claims to live comfortably from betting – what do you expect people to say – of course people are going to say "Prove it"
How about, "damn, I’ve wanted to do that for years. I’m pretty close but just get boged down with stuff. How the hell do you manage it? Any good pointers for me?"
So put up or shut up
Why? So people like you can enjoy their little bit of power. No way, I’m here to stay till people like you show some respect.
And why did you come onto a horse racing forum if you are not willing to discuss either horses or betting – what are you looking for – somebody else as succesful as you so you can pat each other on the back? – they have that on the Betfair forum every day – just look for the thread entitled "how much has everywon one/lost today"
I never said I am not willing to discuss betting or horseracing. I said I would discuss these subjects intelligently. All we have done so far is discuss me.. and unlike some, and it looks like you are included, I don’t enjoy discussing me or my chosen way of life in a manner that is derogatory. As far as the Betfair Forum is concerned, wonder who I would find there, GingerTipstaer, Ethan.. yourself maybe, wonder what the odds are I’m right.
My main sticking point with you is that you seem to want other Pro gamblers (or profit makers) to get in touch with you. Why? What is the point of them doing so? If you are not going to divulge anything about how you bet, what do you expect them to tell / say to you?
I am not going to divulge my methods to them and vice versa. All I wanted was polite conversation about shared experience etc. If two proffessional athletes wanted to contact each other, would they receive the same suspicion, NO! Would they explain their unique training methods that help them win, NO! They would just talk about stuff and possibly in a round about way help each other.
Every successful punter I know of is a value punter in some way, they look for value bets. Nevison, Freemantle, Mellish, Noakes, Carvillshill and more; they all do it the same way. Yet you do not take value in to account. So yes, I am very sceptical about your claims, and believe it is highly unlikely a punter can be successful over a long period doing it your way. But I could be wrong.
Where exactly did I say I take no notice of value? Value is subjective and possibly my opinion of it is different.
You say you are a pro Black Jack player, yet when I asked you about the table of odds and chances, you said you do not take any notice of it. Pro Black Jack players surely win by card counting, and therefore are using it all the time and know it’s importance. This also makes me sceptical.
Again, here you are wrong. Yes I can look at a table of odds that show what percentage chance of this if this happens etc, same for poker. But "card counting" is nothing to do with that once you understand those odds… all you are counting is the cards and TRUE COUNT what is left in the shoe. This is a very off the cuff statement so don’t hammer into it. We are not discussing Blackjack here so I am being very brief and not very detailed.
If that is the case then I don’t see any way you can proove yourself.
I neither need to or want to "prove" myself… was that the point of my original post, NO! Again, and for the last time, all I wanted was some meaningful conversation with like minded people. So far this has been like trying to pull teeth!
I don’t know why you think we are attacking you because all we are doing is discussing what you say in your posts.
Rubbish…. all you are trying to do is discredit something you can’t begin to comprehend and me! A true discussion would involve trying to better understand how I achieve things with meaningful debate.
If it means that much to you probably the easiest way would be to put your selections up for the next 12 months in the Lays and Plays section and let the members judge your results
LOL… you do make I laugh. That’s exactly what I knew you would say and so typical. Yes sure, I’ll post so you can make a living out of someone elses hard work. Bet you don’t use tipsters either, and you are in profit etc etc. What a tool. Now I know what you really are, think I’ll stick around to see you and your like exposed. Move over you opiniated parasite theres a new show in town.
Using Caledon’s own figures, that suggests he was betting an average of 6k per week for 5 years, and winning 2k, without using the exchanges, and apparently, without his accounts being closed.
Now, I don’t have a maths degree, but that just does not add up?You guys are absolutely amazing…. wish I knew as much about trivia as you do.
The clue was in PRO-GAMBLER. I never said I had given up playing at Casinos and I never said my income was purely from horseracing. You just make assumptions all the time and seem to want to spend more time trying to work out HOW rather than why.
Forget my income, it is irelevant, and out of reach for the majority. I am one of the lucky ones for whom a bit of hard work paid off. This doesn’t make me any better, just luckier.
For the last time, I wanted to contact like minded individuals for some good conversation because it gets lonely doing this all on your own. If you are doing this full time, chances are, you are very unlikely to need any help from me… so therefore not much chance you would want to know how I do things. Which is the complete opposite of what the "big I am’s" on here want you to believe.
"Can’t do it myself – so rip everyone who can to shreds" – how sad to have to live your life this way!
BTW.. Ethan, GingerTipster et al… if you can think of a way that I can prove my method without divulging it bring it on… put your "money" where your mouth is nothing would give me greater pleasure than rubbing your face in the s**t you espouse and show you up for the forum to see once and for all.
This is your real fear, that’s why you attack me!
if Cal agreed that his response was a little ‘below the belt’
Hi Ken,
Why? All I seem to have done since I joined this forum is defend what I do for a living. Everything I say seems to have some sort of hidden agenda to some.
I am bored with it now and basically don’t need it so will move on to more productive things.
I have enjoyed the friendly banter with yourself and a few others, but then others have been just plain obnoxious. Jealousy is a sad thing and to see it so prevelant here is also saddening.
All I hope is that someone reading this thread may just be prompted into getting out of the rut and look for the answers where they really are. And if they do and find them and start doing this full time, then they can still feel free to drop me an email.
Hi Ethan,
Don’t bother… but then I guess you may as well cause you obviously are in love with your own smart ass.
All I wanted was to share intelligent conversation with possibly like minded people… but I should have known better than to look in a Racing Forum where, with a few notable exceptions, all you are likely to find are opiniated losers.
I have no need to explain what I do to you or any others so being as polite as I can… go shove your head where the sun don’t shine you pompous ass.
The other thing that I am still hung up about is that Caledon said he was using something that racing people wouldn’t think of, or ask. I’m can’t figure out what this could be, when he is basing his selections on information that is obtainable from racing statistics.
Hi Gerald,
The only thing I can say that might help in this is FACTS rather than FICTION or as Gingertipster would say OPINION.
Concentrate on FACT and look for the pointers there. Hope that helps a bit.
Not sure if Caledon is still about, but I just wanted to ask if he believes in "trading" and/or "dutching"?
I noticed he mentioned "Angel" several times.Hi there,
I just discovered the trading platform a few days ago and all I can say is WOW. I certainly do believe in both the methods you mention and with no method selections recently I have been busy learning the black art of trading
Hi All,
Sorry I have been missing AWOL for a couple of days but family committments have kept me from the laptop.
Still no method bets yet but I’m having a wonderful time with the Angel.
BTW… if anyone wants to message me offline please feel free.
I think this thread has gone about far enough now, so, let me think of another topic to post
Hi Nayo,
Love reading how excited you seem about all this but for me I am similar to Ken. My methods exclude any All Weather events as, for me, they are just too unreliable. I have given up on trying to make sense of the data they produce.
Good luck though and I hope your reasoning works well for you
But Caledon, apart from the bingo question, is it your eventual intention to respond to my more relevant questions on Page Six, please, or have I got you clean bowled with one of my googlies, perhaps?
Hi Ken,
Maybe you are right about me being and old bingo playing lady living in sheltered accomodation cause don’t ask me how but I managed to miss most of page six. So apologies for my senility
The first day ended with no selection so I spent the rest of the day messing around with Bet Angel. What a tool, wish I had had this in my last spell. I doubt I would be back because I would be so RICH!!!!!
Anyway, I digress, think its those pills
Man I am in a cheery mood today, again it’s probably the pills lolI would not try and backfit my method to any other sport and would prefer to treat each as a new subject. But in short I have never looked at it.
The method could be explained and learned in approx 10 minutes I guess and anyone with a brain could use it. I have no intention of marketing it. I did think of giving it away at one point and letting the recipients pay me a commission/royalty from their winnings but I trust people too much and would probably find nothing coming back and the system for sale from someone less scrupulous. So for now I will keep it to myself.
Once again, apologies for missing your questions… forgive an oldy lady
To all who read this thread and are vaguely interested in how I do things I will give a starting point in order that I cannot be accused of not "revealing" my method anymore
Start with the most important variables that occur each day:
Race Type / Race Course
If you can’t see the significance of these straight away don’t panic, just keep thinking!
If you have access to something like RSB then play wih these two variables and make notes on some of the statistics you get, see if you can spot any Trend or Pattern or whatever you would call it.
I’ve found this a really interesting thread. Ginge – I truly believe it is possible to find a way of backing horses profitably that has nothing to do with knowledge of form.
Because betting markets are formed based on subjective opinions I’m sure the markets are affected by the weakness of the human brain in attaching too much (or too little) importance to certain facts.
I believe that Caledon is able to take advantage of a feature of the pricing up of races that stems from this weakness.
The problem for the rest of us is a matter of where to start in discovering this feature.
Tuffers, you are so close to breaking away from the mould and starting to look for the TRUE answer it’s uncanny. Are you sure you don’t do the same as me and strining me along
Careful Caledon, dont get too big for your boots. Its a fine line between being regarded as a thoughtful and intelligent man and just being regarded as a pleb!
Sorry about that but all I meant was that the person questioning my knowledge relies on his holy grail of FORM and is insistent that he knows what he is talking about, I, on the other hand, rely on my holy grail of MATHEMATICS, and, with a degree in the subject, think I know my subject.
You are fighting your corner but until you actually reveal your system then you have to accept that you will be questioned. And therefore you will always be questioned.
I have no objection to questioning but I sometimes the answer you get is in the way you ask the question
As others have said you are not really offering "Racing" opinions. The buzz of racing had me long before the buzz of betting on racing!
I’m afraid I don’t really have any "Racing" opinions in the way others do here. Does that mean I am not welcome?
