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  • in reply to: Why is Pyledriver bypassing the Arc? #1501600
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    He could be supplemented on Sept 30th, but the fee is 72,000 euros. He’d need to finish fifth just to get that back in prize money, and there’s no prize money at all for any horse finishing outside the first five.

    in reply to: Juvenile Hurdlers 2020/2021 #1499494
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    To be fair, that juvenile hurdle at Southwell in 2006, was a pretty hot one – and it was run there because the meeting was transferred from Doncaster, although I don’t know why. But it was hardly surprising that several of the field got behind and pulled up (unharmed), as the winner went on to win the Fred Winter on his next start. The second (already a winner) and third proved to be quite useful as well.

    The meeting this week is another transfer, as it was originally scheduled for Worcester. I would agree though that Southwell hardly seems the ideal venue for a juvenile race this early in the season. And I’m pretty sure there wouldn’t have been such a race at Worcester either, so this smacks of the BHA race planning dept setting the program, possibly because trainers have requested more opportunities for their 3-y-olds

    in reply to: NHS Sweepstakes Race raising £1.5bn p.a. #1497519
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    OK, if it’s not an insult, please specify what these ‘other interests’ are that might be ‘at risk’.

    I mean please, do go ahead and tell me what it is you think makes my opinion unreliable.

    in reply to: NHS Sweepstakes Race raising £1.5bn p.a. #1497503
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    “I suspect from your tone you have ‘other interests’ in racing that you consider ‘at risk’ if this ever came off.”

    Way to go, get me onside by insulting me.

    in reply to: NHS Sweepstakes Race raising £1.5bn p.a. #1497488
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    “For the 20 winners who had been allocated a horse each for the race, they would be invited to the racecourse to watch ‘their’ horse, as if they were the owner of it. They would certainly win more than the owners!”

    And you don’t think that might be a small flaw in your grand plan? Why should I (and I am an owner) run my horse in a big field and be expected to stand aside while some lottery ticket holder ‘owns’ my horse for the day. Are you going to provide massive prize money for these twenty runner races – or a guaranteed payout to the owners of all twenty horses to at least cover their expenses.

    Not to mention that £1.5bn to the NHS is a drop in the ocean, about 1% of their current annual budget. And to achieve this £30M per week, plus the £20M you suggest in prizes, plus the commissions to ticket sellers, plus the day to day admin costs, you’ll need to take in about £60M per week from ticket buyers.

    I suspect that the vast majority of posters on this forum are simply too polite to point out the problems with your plan. I’m not made that way, it’s pie in the sky.

    in reply to: Best riding performances ever in the Epsom Derby? #1497209
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    A story about Carson and Erhaab. I was at Newbury two days after Erhaab had won the Dante so impressively in what appeared to be a very fast time. Leaning against the paddock rail as the jockeys mounted for race two, I realised I was stood next to Jim McGrath (Timeform Jim, not Aussie Jim).

    As Carson went past in the Mellon colours, he looked across at Jim and said ‘What was the figure?’. McGrath replied ‘128, all you’ll have to do is steer’.

    It didn’t take too much brainpower to work out what horse they were discussing! The only thing I didn’t know for sure was whether the number was a 128 TF rating, or a 128 timefigure, but either way it was going to be plenty good enough for an average Derby.

    But I doubt if he was ever too worried during the race, knowing what he believed he had in hand.

    in reply to: Yorkshire Ebor Festival #1496465
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    A gloomy update from the ROA arrived in my inbox this morning, which included the following one liner from the BHA Chief Medical Officer:

    “Behind closed doors restrictions likely to remain in place for foreseeable future”

    A wonderfully vague prediction, included in amongst a lot of waffle that suggests the BHA have swallowed the ‘second wave’ panic wholesale.

    Here’s one owner that won’t be going racing while these restrictions are enforced, and if the situation hasn’t changed considerably by the end of the year, my contribution as an owner will also come to an end.

    in reply to: Juvenile Hurdlers 2020/2021 #1496316
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    B H,

    Just to add about Balko Saint, that he was bought as what the French call a ‘2-y-old store’ at Arqana sales by Nick Williams in July last year. Given the breeding, it’s surprising that the price was a modest 22,000 euros, which suggests he didn’t stand out on appearance.

    Enjoyable reading as always, thanks for the time and effort you put in.

    in reply to: Cashless on-course betting? #1495414
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    Some issues I can picture happening if punters are using a debit card to bet.

    1) A punter that uses different bookies for each bet he has, is likely to find that the automatic fraud detection software used by the banks, will cut in and put a stop on the card.

    2) A punter that has a decent win, say £200, won’t be able to bet any of that on later races, as it won’t appear in his account for up to three days.

    3) And the same the other way, the bookie who takes bets via a card payment, won’t find the money in his account when he comes to pay out. So he has to have a starting balance sufficient to cover all the payouts he can expect over the entire meeting.

    Even I might feel the need to find out what a ‘smartphone’ is under these circumstances.

    in reply to: Yorkshire Ebor Festival #1495401
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    RedRum,

    What’s happening at Goodwood on Saturday is a trial, involving selected annual members and guests only, no paying public. They will admit a maximum of 5,000 people, who will be distributed across seven separate areas on the course. Once inside one of those areas, they cannot move anywhere else on the course.

    So if your area is by the paddock, you can’t watch the race except on a screen. If it’s on the stands, you can’t go to the paddock to view the horses, etc. Nor are the bars open and there will be a maximum of four bookmakers present, if they can actually find four that are willing to attend with the rule of no cash betting, only cards.

    It’s a very pale imitation of what going racing is supposed to offer. And if it rains, it’ll be a very wet imitation as well!

    in reply to: Yorkshire Ebor Festival #1495315
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    If racing doesn’t take a firm stand with the government and push for a return to normal operation asap, with each individual allowed to decide for themselves if they want to attend, then there’ll be very little left if and when life gets back to normal.

    The courses can’t survive for long with no income from admission, corporate, sponsors, catering etc. The money paid out by the Levy Board for the first three months will all be gone by the end of August. The courses are left with reduced money from media rights (fewer betting shops open) that will barely cover their ordinary running costs, let alone provide for payment of prize money.

    Currently we don’t even have a fixture list for September, let alone any details on the specific race program or prize money after August 31st. And that’s because there’s no information on offer that would let the courses make realistic financial plans.

    in reply to: Three runner King George #1494946
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    Well let’s look at the Haggas and Stoute yards.

    The highest rated horse for Haggas is Addeyb, on 122, but he’s a 10F performer, never raced over 12F. His top rated proven 12F horse is Hamish, on 110, and only 4th in the Hardwicke.

    The highest for Stoute is Mustashry, a 7F/1M Group 2 winner, he’s on 120. His top rated possible 12F horse is Highest Ground, 2nd in the Dante. But he’s only a 3-y-old and only had three career starts, so maybe next year.

    The only plausible other runner I can see would have been Ghaiyyath, who won a Group 2 over the trip. But he’s been kept for the 10F races and given how far he was beaten in the Arc, that’s hardly a surprise.

    Of course it’s not ideal, but expecting owners to run horses with no hope of winning just to provide some also rans is ignoring reality.

    in reply to: Three runner King George #1494923
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    Strange as it may seem, owners and trainers are not excited by the idea of entering for a race in the hope of finishing fourth. Not to mention that the entry fee is high (£5k this year) and fourth is hardly guaranteed. Because when the entries were made on Monday, how many people knew there would only be three runners?

    I’ve got a horse in training – he’s a 6-y-old that just about stays a mile. Should I have entered him for the King George in order to satisfy some need of forum posters to have a big field? Or am I allowed to choose a race in which he has some sort of realistic chance of winning. How many horses in training have any hope of beating Enable and the Coolmore platoon?

    And finally, perhaps part of the willingness to enter disappears when the owners can only attend under restricted circumstances, can ony bring one guest, cannot enter the track until 45 minutes before the big race, and will have no access to bars, refreshments or corporate boxes.

    in reply to: Leicester tomorow #1492337
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    The 157 entries for the next Leicester meeting on Tuesday 7th suggest that the general view in racing is that it’s safe to go ahead. It’s not as if anybody travelling to the course is going to be mixing with any of the local population.

    One of those entries is from a trainer that withdrew his runners yesterday for safety reasons.

    in reply to: Leicester tomorow #1492298
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    I can’t see any reason, other than ‘how it looks to the public’ for calling off the meeting. The lockdown in Leicester yesterday was no different to the lockdown of the entire country when racing restarted on June 1st.

    Every race meeting staged since June 1st has been severely controlled, to the extent that anybody with a temperature higher than normal is excluded from entering the course and their horse withdrawn. Do they do that at your local supermarket?

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