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I must say, you’re definately not on your own fists. Celestial Halo or anything else in the boylesports race won’t beat Binocular around Cheltenham, but that doesnt necessarily mean Binocular will win….. there are a lot of races over the xmas period and to be backing anything to win the champion hurdle before the turn of the year is utter madness.
Surely this far out, only EW bets are worth it?
He would be as well staying in Ireland come Champion Hurdle day if he needs heavy ground Andrew. I think he has enough problems staying 2 miles on good ground without having to slog his wasy through a bog.
His only hurdle wins have come on soft or heavy ground (including a very fast champion hurdle), Even as a flat horse, he was arguably better on soft or heavy ground. He has a high leg action which allows horses like him to travel better on softer ground than they do on anything better.
Until he betters the form he’s shown on soft/heavy, dont really know how you can say anything else.
Saying that I really hope Sizing Europe not only wins but wins impressively. All this Binocular talk is annoying me. (good, but not that good)
Is this now the champion hurdle forum now? I’m confused.
If it is, trust me: Snap Tie EW.
Not really suprised with the Sublimity entry. The ground is likely to be heavier than at Kempton. I always got the impression the heavier the ground, the better he travels (and quickens for that matter). Just look at his prep race before winning the champion hurdle. Ok it was only a minor race in comparison but I’ve never seen a horse accelerate so quickly at the end of a race in what was basically a bog.
Go on the attheraces website and take a look, unbelievable speed considering the going
Plus he lives in Ireland so easier all round
True enough but do you really think the 2009 is going to be run as slow as the 2008? Why would anyone want to play into Binoculars hands after seeing what he did around Ascot??? Expect it to be more of a slog this time round.
I agree the 2008 supreme was better than the champion (two seconds quicker actually) but think captain cee bee would have won with Snap Tie possibly second. Both were givin Binocular about 9 or 10 lbs which they wouldnt of had to do in the champion hurdle
sorry, was thinking of the christmas hurdle, got it wrong (although think he was entered at one point)
Watch out for Snap Tie to give Binocular fans some food for thought… 20/1 for the champion still available
BTW, Official Mark for Star De Mohaison is now 162. We’ll just have to wait and see, and in the meantime waste our time arguing and thinking about something else.
Damn right, didnt even want to discuss the Gold Cup really as like I said, think it’s a formality.I just knew that some people would see SdMs performance on the weekend and get excited about (whereas I will continue to think of that race as dodgy).
Bored of arguing about it myself now, just felt the need to for some reason.
ok gerald, but dont you agree that most of runners who finished in the top nine would really need more of a stamina test.(apart from Trigger the Light who blundered his way out of contention) the fact the pace set wasnt the best, i would tend to think most of them simply got done for speed rather than "weakening"?
Just my opinion.
didn’t bet on the race myself but anyone backing lami can feel cheated. garde champetre might well have won anyway in a truly fought out finish, but the fact is nobody will ever know.
what we do know is that if it had been lami jumping last with a horse from any other stable, the whip would of been pulled a lot earlier and the jockey would have got a lot more animated.Like I said, we’ll never know
Nice to meet you too Gerald. As regards your last post, we’ll have to wait and see…… official ratings can be misleading and are very often wrong.
I do hope the two horses end up crossing paths…. and I’ll be more than happy to be proved wrong
He’s beaten the exceptionally well handicapped Character Building out of sight also.
Denman done the same in the Hennesey, a lot lot more impressively than SdM the other day, then improved over 20lbs and then won the Gold Cup just as impressively.
Tis a fair enough point, I’m just coming from the point of view that the supreme winning time was 2 seconds quicker than the champion, he was giving weight to binocular and captain cee bee is out for the season.
Adding the fact when he beat katchit last time out, both horses were having their first run in over 200 days and was only carrying 3lbs less, would rather take 20/1 than the 4/1 or 8/1 you get from Binocular and Katchit respectively at the present time……Mon Momes mustard form? Sky Bet Chase:- Beaten 26 lengths giving ten pounds to simon . 2008 William Hill Trophy:- beaten 23 lengths carrying 10-8, 2007 William Hill Trophy:- beaten 9 lengths off 142 carrying 11-1 (Juveigneur 8 lengths ahead off 147 carrying 11-9), Red Square:- beaten 16 lengths, giving Heltornic 11lbs
A very decent handicapper, dont get me wrong. But not to base Gold Cup form on…. However, we all get it wrong sometimes(or most of the time) and would love to see a decent price spring a surprise more than anybody.
SE is almost 3/1 for Monday week on Betfair which is way too big imho.
I cannot see Brave Inca or Catch Me beating him. The only thing that would worry me is heavy ground.
On that subject, does anyone know what distance Catch Me will concentrate on this year. Backed him for the Champion hurdle last year and although connections made the age old excuse "he wasn’t right" in that race, looked more of a stayer than having the speed to match the top top horses over two miles.
Cheers, Hello all! I agree SDM is a big price but I also agree with the bookmakers on this one, which is a rarity by the way. (usally look for each way value bets at cheltenham). I’m just not sure how good coming 2nd to mon mome is even giving that much weight away. He would of had to win that race pretty convincingly for me to be thinking about placing my money…. But to be fair to the horse, was his first competitive chase in over two years and will improve. (will have to racing off a mark of 169 against a lot classier opposition which he’ll now inevitably have to do)
