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Some of you boys are in la la land re this Frankel babble.

In fact I’m seeing a lot of american style ignorance in you lot. Best milers in the world, best stayers, best middle distance gallopers, is there anything you aren’t best at over there?

Gee if it weren’t for a couple of Aussies in SYT and Black Caviar anyone would think UK horses were of a different (superior) breed to the rest of the world.

Frankel is obviously a very good horse but you don’t know the measure of a champion until you see what he can do outside of his comfort zone. To date I’d suggest Frankel has not been outside of his comfort zone, and all this american-style babble about biggest and best ever is premature and dare i say it a bit childish.

And what may I ask did Canford Cliffs ever do to deserve best miler in the world ratings?

Australia generally have the best sprinters. We’ve also shown we have world class middle distance horses too. Somewhere in the middle there is the mile…..stands to reason that Aussie milers might also be world class? Whobegotyou and More Joyous aren’t bush hacks I assure you.

Not saying Frankel isn’t as good as anything else at the moment. But I’d like to see him beat the likes of SYT over a mile in a proper mile race not a hit and giggle 4 horse joke like the sussex was.

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Can someone explain to me why when everyone was talking about syt the majority of people claimed he wasn’t so great because of sri putra. As in the majority of people were using the run of the poorly rated horse to measure it by and ignoring runs of better horses because they were supposedly below par.

Yet with frankel it’s the other way round, the minority are saying this – whereas the majority are using the run of canford and ignoring the run of the poorly rated horse.

1. SYT is an Australian horse.
2. English arrogance, ie "it’s not possible any of these blow in bush scrubber colonial hacks could be better than one of our english regally bred thoroughbreds".
3. Connect the dots.

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A friend and myself hung around the pre-parade ring after one of the later races. Henry said the following;

No to the Juddmonte.

Wise move too. With such an enormous stud value at stake you don’t want to be taking on the best 10f horse in the world until you are absolutely sure your horse can do it.

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Something I’ve noticed about you European horseracing followers is you tend to take race margins a lot more literally as an exact measuring gauge between different horses.

In Australia we don’t do this as much, maybe due to races being run a lot differently here. Brings pace (or lack of), jockey tactics, and luck more into the equation, which means 2-3-4-5 length turnarounds are sometimes normal between horses depending on how races were run and/or what luck each horse got in the running.

I personally think SYT is the best 10F horse in the world and just got beat by shocking race tactics and a poor ride at Ascot. I also suspect Rewilding is a bit better than some of you are crediting him for. I’ve never thought Epsom to be a course that ran clear cut form results anyway, as some horses handle it better than others and some just don’t handle the place at all.

And if what you guys say about Workforce’s best distance being 12F then it was a pretty damn good run for him to push SYT so hard over 10F.

You’ve got to understand SYT is probably the best middle distance horse Australia has had for maybe 9 years since the great Northerly (who claimed the UK horse Grandera’s scalp amongst his many fine conquers). However having said that he’s not (in my opinion at least) what I would consider an all time great horse in the mould of a Kingston Town (or your equivalent Dancing Brave) he isn’t too far off those great horses but he’s not at their level either.

Obviously it’s hard to rate different horses unless they race against each other but he’s proven he’s world class now and to me that’s just a great thing to see.

Would love to see him come back and win another Cox Plate I think Moonee Valley would go off we’ll just have to wait and see what Coolmore decide to do with him.

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Well I’ve just watched the race on youtube for the first time and wife/kids at the movies meant I was up and roaring at the screen coming down the home straight!

Very proud and happy that he has proven beyond doubt now that he is world class. Must admit the knocks on here crossed my mind as he went past Workforce and I yelled something along the lines of EAT THAT YOU FKERS or words to that effect.

Great runs by both SYT and Workforce and the 3rd horse ran well again as he did at Ascot.

Different story today SYT was well ridden and strong on the line. I personally think if he is ridden like this in the Arc he’s a huge chance as are Workforce and Rewilding it is going to be some race if they all turn up.

Great day for Australian racing today we’ve proven our middle distance champs are up with the best anywhere. Very proud and might go crack a stubbie now cheers boys woo hooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I read somewhere the track at Ascot was rated good-soft and closer to soft in parts?

If that’s the case it would suggest why they struggled to run any sort of time in any of the other races, and serves as proof of the breakneck pace in the POW. A soft track by UK standards is a slow track in Australia and I can tell you if they ran the Cox Plate on a dead-slow track at Moonee Valley there is next to zero chance they’d get within a second of the track record, pacemaker or not. Something exceptionally stupid would have to happen up front and it would be pretty unlikely the stalker would only get rolled in the last stride – and the likely winner would be the one with the most stamina and not necessarily the best horse.

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Looking back through all 3 of SYT’s runs this prep I’m not sure he’s going as well as when Bart had him. Campanologist stuck on pretty well behind him and that’s the 2nd time they’ve met remember in the Cup he couldn’t get within a bulls roar.

Also, SYT is a gun horse, but even in Australia it was only the hype merchants comparing him to the likes of Kingston Town. He’s not THAT good.

Will be a great race and I will have eyes glued cheering him on from down under!

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It has crossed my mind in the past that aust horses need to run 200-400m further by aust standards when they hit those undulating euro courses. Therefore could it be that SYT’s best distance in Europe might only be 1600-2000 ??

Starspangledbanner won the caulfield guineas over 1600 and got up the rise fine in the July cup. Other horses like Choisir and Alverta were more pure sprinters and so got found out.

Maybe the general rule of thumb should be to take 200-400 off their best Aussie distance when racing in UK?

I think more joyous would be extremely hard to beat in a race like the July cup, less so in one of your mile races.

Likewise when euro horses come to aust don’t bring a 3200-4000 horse to win a melb cup, bring a 2000-2400 horse and you’ll be giving yourself a much better chance.

You know if you look at SYT’s 2nd CP win he was getting tired on the line.

Just thinking aloud….

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Kingston Town was a better horse than Dancing Brave.

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AIC,
If you have a look in the daily lays and plays column you will see where ‘Kingfisher’ said that he didn’t like So You Think as soon as he saw him,he said he looked like a ‘cart horse’! and is a one pacer who will never win a big one in Europe! You do get twits like that though on here at times,never mind they broke the track record! What does that say for all the other ‘cart horses’ of previous years?

Their ignorance would be hilarious if it didn’t have such an impact on the world’s breeding scene.

There are similar ignorant clowns in Australia around cups time, I actually backed All The Good at 80-1 before his cup win. And then again on the day at 50-1 and 40-1. If you can take off the blinkers there is money to be made and fun to be had in both directions.

I’m sure they think Northerly or Might and Power were also hacks that couldn’t have done squat in Europe. Ha ha it’s quite funny really isn’t it.

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The big reason nobody goes down to Australia for the sprints is the quarantine laws. England has prestige (and weaker sprinters), and there’s far more prizemoney in Dubai and Hong Kong without the quarantine hassles.

The "world championship" Flemington sprints are often won by unspectacular sprinters. Apache Cat was beaten by second-rate Hong Kong sprinters, Nicconi is no star, All Silent beaten by second-raters like Joy and Fun twice, etc. Of course there are stars like Miss Andretti, Scenic Blast, and Takeover Target, but for the past 5+ years (pre-Black Caviar), the top rated sprinter has come out of the Hong Kong races. In HK, Dubai, and Singapore, the Aussies haven’t been able to measure up despite doing well against the poor sprinters in England.

All Silent didn’t fire a shot in HK and has been 20 lengths below his best ever since. I got no idea what happened on that trip but it killed the great sprinter in him. Nicconi was devastating on his day, but yes needed things to suit to show his best (like rewilding?) Apache Cat was a better sprinter than Starspangledbanner and Scenic Blast. In fact Starspangledbanner was only barely in the top 5 sprinters in Australia when he came to England and cleaned up.

‘Prestige’ is basically horseshit, take away the royal family and the 300year history and none of the internationals would even bother turning up.

Your ratings are absolute crap and have always been horrendously slanted against Aussie horses. So you think rated best stayer in the world? He’s not a stayer! You probably wouldn’t even know who horses like spinning hill, gold edition, fastnet rock, testa rossa or even the great Lohnro are.

Go on tell me how good Lohnro was. Up with Starcraft do you think?

Exceed and Excel was one of the very best sprinters they took over to England – but he finished last! So on that I’m sure you’d say he wasn’t up to it either? Rubbish he wasn’t! At his best he wins in devastating fashion and is rated higher than horses like Choisir Scenic Blast or Starspangledbanner.

And on Scenic Blast, that was another Elvstroem situation all over again. Should’ve been spelled and sent to the paddock as soon as he went off the boil, but they continue to run him everywhere flattened and you never get your horse back ever again.

I just think you blokes have zero clue about Aussie racing. We go over there to chase being a shuttle stallion, if we don’t do it you wouldn’t know who our horses were or how great they are. You walk around with your heads jammed firmly up your own arses thinking your ratings are everything, but they’re not. They’re not even remotely accurate. But right or wrong, they are relevent. So to make the big bucks as a shuttle stallion we have to play the game. It’s a good thing our horses have superior speed and ability, because the travel takes lengths off them! Bring Equiano over to Flemington and see how hard he gets his arse spanked! It’s got nothing to do with quarantine laws they don’t do it because getting shown up would hurt their stallion careers.

So there is an opposing point of view, minus the pompous British bullshit.

I guess england didnt play their full squad at upton park when we beat your mob 3-1?? How quickly we forget at half time it was 2-0 against your full strength outfit.

Only the British send their prisoners to paradise. You stole a loaf of bread I sentence you to life in Australia. Ha ha no worries ol blighty where do I sign!!

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Looks like you are the new villain AIC And 1600-2400 Marbine,dont sell us so short old Zipping wouldve ran 3rd in the Prince of Wales and we have had better middle distance horses than him

Ha ha new villain? I hope not, I love english racing, they have many great middle distance gallopers and their jumps carnivals are a lot of fun.

On another note, I reckon Might and Power would’ve won the Prince of Wales the way it was run. His best distance was 2400 and he would’ve been very strong on the line. But I don’t rate M&P as a better 2000m horse than SYT. Better 2400 yes.

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I just hope that Coolmore wake up to themselves and run this boy right and I ask you all to see through the hype, it’s not the horse’s fault, just greedy stud owners. I have no doubt that you will all be impressed when you can see what he really can do.

Spot on marbine. (I’m aussie too by the way)

SYT is a sensational galloper but he is not an invincible machine, no horse is. Dancing Brave got beat, Workforce got beat, they all get beat if the race is run a certain way.

I can empathise with those who dislike hype. But I also think assessing SYT’s run against Planteur’s run is probably the best way to judge how good SYT really is. It’s too convenient to say Planteur was off his game, I think he just got smashed by a champion who got left a sitting duck by a piss poor ride and unbelievably poor stable tactics. I think SYT beats Planteur every day of the week whatever way you run the race, pacemaker or not, undulating or flat, right handed or left. Therefore if Planteur is in the top 2 or 3 Euro middle distance gallopers then SYT should be rated, all things equal and horse ridden well, probably Europe’s best. BUT I admit he has to prove it now. And I really think he will.

But if they want to turn it into a stamina test and take turn of foot out of the equation, then they are a chance to beat him again. But is stamina the ONLY test of a champion? What about acceleration off medium run races? Is not versatility one of the marks of a champion? Or do european fans only care about the horse with the most stamina in hot pace events that are run uphill?

Remember the track was good to soft, not firm, and they broke the track record. On a track bordering on soft? Farcical. It’s almost as if the whole race was run to get SYT beaten. Sit him in the death on a breakneck speed and go early on an uphill climb? Suicide for any horse with any sort of brilliance, only suitable for staying types, and that is NOT a true test of one’s horse’s all round ability over the other.

I’m looking forward to his next race. This result gutted me and I’m looking at this like us vs them now. Very determined and hopeful that he can bounce back and show his champion qualities. I still very much believe he is the best middle distance horse in the world.

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Firstly the Aussie sprinters arrive in England about 8 to 14 days prior and reet hard goes on about failures in the Golden Jubilee when Choiser has won it and Takeover Target placed,but reet hard only mentions the horse who failed and questions the stamina of Aussie horses.Also wrong the o’brien horses do not come 5 days before as Australia has strict quarantine laws,so it is actually weeks rather than days.Talk sense! wont get anywhere near Workforce:):):) you have got to be kidding:):):()

bungarra you don’t know how to play this game, I will teach you.

Septimus was a plodder not a bulls roar near Aussie G1 stayers, 3rd last place in the Melbourne Cup with only his 2 english stablemates Honolulu and Alessandro Volta behind him. Yeats? He would’ve made a decent hurdler in Aust zero turn of foot but enough plodding 4000m form to be competitive over the jumps down under. Vinnie Roe got his jaw cracked so hard by Makybe Diva the first time I’m surprised that came back for more thrashings a 2nd and 3rd time. What about Oscar Schindler ha ha what a waste of time that was. Double Trigger dead last hmmm what on earth were they thinking there. Grey Swallow had what 2 or 3 G1 runs in Australia did he beat a runner home in any of them? Geordieland down the track, useless. Profound Beauty got flogged but step her down a few grades and she’d probably make a really nice country cups horse in Australia.

And don’t even get me started on their sprinters. The world championships for sprints are held at Flemington not Royal Ascot or Sha Tin. They don’t travel any internationals for the best sprint races in the world because they know the Aussies would cane their backsides!!!

I laugh at anyone thinks the Cox Plate is in any way shape or form an inferior race to the Prince of Wales or Eclipse. Some of you poms seriously have zero clue about how good aussie racing is, do yourself a favour take off your patriotic blinkers and you might enlighten yourselves a bit! (but then again ignorance is bliss so maybe not….)

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