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Bugarra you’re starting to make me think these stereotypes people have about aussie’s are actually true.
I’m still a SYT fan and think everything went against him in the POW and I think he’ll do workforce in over 10f.
But to say that Aussie racing is superior (in terms of horse ability in a general sense) is ridiculous. Unless you’re talking specifically about sprinters, which you’re not.
But people like Mr Wilson are wrong too, it’s definetly not that bad and MOST top horses in Australia (more joyous,whobegotyou at a mile for example) would compete with the best in Europe, but probably not win.
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Bugarra you’re starting to make me think these stereotypes people have about aussie’s are actually true.
I’m still a SYT fan and think everything went against him in the POW and I think he’ll do workforce in over 10f.
But to say that Aussie racing is superior (in terms of horse ability in a general sense) is ridiculous. Unless you’re talking specifically about sprinters, which you’re not.
But people like Mr Wilson are wrong too, it’s definetly not that bad and MOST top horses in Australia (more joyous,whobegotyou at a mile for example) would compete with the best in Europe, but probably not win.
Racinglover firstly i couldn’t care less what you think about Aussies,secondly get your facts right,i have never said racing in Australia was superior,i said our horses have measured up at middle distance with very limited opportunities and More Joyous would push the a*se out of Goldikova and Canford Cliffs.Though i am confidant of one thing our trainers are better.
Hopefully we’ll get the chance to see More Joyous compete in the Breeder’s Cup mile against Canford Cliffs and Goldikova.
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Arcadianheights – I think that is an excellent and well balanced post.
SYT ran an absolute stormer last week and was beaten by a horse that outstayed him. You are right that other trainers will have learnt a lot from watching it and that the Eclipse will likely be run at a fast pace to try and expose those stamina frailties.
I would very much doubt we will see him contesting the top 1m 4f races and would imagine a programme of Eclipse, Juddmonte Int, Irish Champ, Champion.
I think you are also right that he might win one or two of those but, for me, Workforce will have his measure.
In summary a very good horse but not a great one I’m afraid Bung.
You didn’t mention that the tactics were messed up or that moore took off before acceptances Jonibake? I just love how selective some people are on here:)Sense of humour is still here , you and a lot of other people shall need to have one when SYT beats Workforce easily,because you know we are going to remind you
Seriously mate Workforce is not up to beating Rewilding,yes he is a good horse but not great.Workforce not up to beating Rewilding? I suggest you take a look at the 2010 Derby!!!
I think you are making far too much of the tactics Bung. There was no mention of it from connections. It was his own pacemaker after all and, apart from the first 150 yards or so, he did his job. Hard to say the best horse didnt win. Races very rarely go exactly to plan anyway – look at Frankel.
I think you might be being a bit selective yourself no?
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Arcadianheights – I think that is an excellent and well balanced post.
SYT ran an absolute stormer last week and was beaten by a horse that outstayed him. You are right that other trainers will have learnt a lot from watching it and that the Eclipse will likely be run at a fast pace to try and expose those stamina frailties.
I would very much doubt we will see him contesting the top 1m 4f races and would imagine a programme of Eclipse, Juddmonte Int, Irish Champ, Champion.
I think you are also right that he might win one or two of those but, for me, Workforce will have his measure.
In summary a very good horse but not a great one I’m afraid Bung.
You didn’t mention that the tactics were messed up or that moore took off before acceptances Jonibake? I just love how selective some people are on here:)Sense of humour is still here , you and a lot of other people shall need to have one when SYT beats Workforce easily,because you know we are going to remind you
Seriously mate Workforce is not up to beating Rewilding,yes he is a good horse but not great.Workforce not up to beating Rewilding? I suggest you take a look at the 2010 Derby!!!
I think you are making far too much of the tactics Bung. There was no mention of it from connections. It was his own pacemaker after all and, apart from the first 150 yards or so, he did his job. Hard to say the best horse didnt win. Races very rarely go exactly to plan anyway – look at Frankel.
I think you might be being a bit selective yourself no?
Bungarra is a hyped up Aussie twit who wouldn’t know the difference between a pacemaker and a front runner.
The guy is obviously clueless just like his Aussie horses who get smashed about on the european/world stage – oh please remind me the last Aussie winner in Dubai, USA, Japan even? let alone the British/French shores.
The fact So You Think was beat by a 12f+ horse is testiment to the quallity of our horses and no doubt he would have been beaten by a miler in the POW if their was a slow pace – the horse is just over rated!.
Bert Cumpants can slag us off all he likes but the state of Austraillian racing is about as promising as the job market over here, you breed sprinters – no wonder anything above 6f is ****! even Black Caviar is average but has a good PR team
"Mr.Wilson" wrote: Austraillian racing is pittyful, I wouldn’t go watch that junk even if I had a Group 1 horse over there because it would probably struggle in a class 4 handicap in Europe.
Over rated, over hyped.
And you say other posters lack intelligence
It has crossed my mind in the past that aust horses need to run 200-400m further by aust standards when they hit those undulating euro courses. Therefore could it be that SYT’s best distance in Europe might only be 1600-2000 ??
Starspangledbanner won the caulfield guineas over 1600 and got up the rise fine in the July cup. Other horses like Choisir and Alverta were more pure sprinters and so got found out.
Maybe the general rule of thumb should be to take 200-400 off their best Aussie distance when racing in UK?
I think more joyous would be extremely hard to beat in a race like the July cup, less so in one of your mile races.
Likewise when euro horses come to aust don’t bring a 3200-4000 horse to win a melb cup, bring a 2000-2400 horse and you’ll be giving yourself a much better chance.
You know if you look at SYT’s 2nd CP win he was getting tired on the line.
Just thinking aloud….
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Glad it’s dawned on at least one Aussie, AIC.
Oz tracks are generally smaller, sharper, flatter, have coarser grass, faster turf, and less rainfall than their UK counterparts, and their horses are, no doubt, bred commensurately. Hence they will always have the better sprinters, yet rarely the better stayers.
So You Think is clearly a top class horse, and though a mile may prove his best distance in this country, the York International offers his best 10f chance in our conditions and, hopefully, that’s where AOB will send him.- Total Posts 17716
Firstly More Joyous wouldnt have a nice little few hour jaunt to get to the US we are on the other side of the world here
,and she was still running 2nd 100 metres out in the Cox Plate so i cant see the mile being a problem.Secondly Alverta did it hard and ran a close third in the July cup and Choiser was hardly found out on the english tracks 2 wins and a 2nd,Starspangledbanner won 6 races in oz 2 at 5f, one at 5 and a halff 2 at 6f,his last 3 starts in oz were 3rd G1 6F Newmarket won G1 5 and a half f Oakleigh Plate and 4th G1 5f Lighting Plate,class got him to run the mile,but 3yo form is not worth a pinch of sh*t when judging later on.Remember Mahogany won the 2500 metre Victoria Derby by 7 lengths,couldnt stay as a 4yo was a great 5f G1 specialist after that.Jonibake you say you dont hear the connections complaining about the tactics on SYT, what are they going to say ‘we ballsed it up’.Nothing wrong with SYT in getting the distances there just needs decent tactics and a half decent ride.Mr Wilson,dont dish it out if you are not hard enough for a reply Strewth mate – and I thought it was supposed to be the Poms that were whingers!!!
He had the run of the race – not good enough.
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Strewth mate – and I thought it was supposed to be the Poms that were whingers!!!
He had the run of the race – not good enough.
If you dont know anything about racing dont talk rubbish
Calm down Bruce – race over now anyway. Move on.
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Glad it’s dawned on at least one Aussie, AIC.
Oz tracks are generally smaller, sharper, flatter, have coarser grass, faster turf, and less rainfall than their UK counterparts, and their horses are, no doubt, bred commensurately. Hence they will always have the better sprinters, yet rarely the better stayers.Well said reet hard!
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Glad it’s dawned on at least one Aussie, AIC.
Oz tracks are generally smaller, sharper, flatter, have coarser grass, faster turf, and less rainfall than their UK counterparts, and their horses are, no doubt, bred commensurately. Hence they will always have the better sprinters, yet rarely the better stayers.Well said reet hard!
ARCADIANHEIGHTS MY AR*E hello ‘PRESTO’ there is only one person on here who waffles on about Honk Kong in so much depth with all the stats!!!! Nice try mate but you will have to do better
ARCADIANHEIGHTS MY AR*E hello ‘PRESTO’ there is only one person on here who waffles on about Honk Kong in so much depth with all the stats!!!! Nice try mate but you will have to do better
Are you still moaning Bungarra?
I do like a whinging Aussie.So You Think might have won with different tactics, Rewilding would not have had the speed to show the form he did in a slowly run race. Therefore, So You Think could have won by showing the same form level as he did this week. As AP says, take Rewilding out and SYT is an easy winner, just as easy as you’d have imagined beforehand.
So You Think is still a wonderful animal, fine specimen, excellent ability. Will win plenty of Group 1’s over here. Just not when Rewilding can put his stamina to good use. And if he can’t beat Rewilding – he’s unlikely to beat Workforce in a truly run race.
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