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Should I throw away my 66/1 voucher on Clemmie winning the English/Irish guineas double because I think Aidan will rest Clemmie for Premier League races only. Will anyone turn up for the Irish group 1’s or will Ireland set up their own PL…?
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Good luck to you Steve.
And to you Joni.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Of course there is already a Champions Series so clearly other idiots like Mark and myself thought it was a good idea to start with. The problem with the Champions Series is that it is……well….how can I describe it?……..”Shite” Seems to be the Mot De Jour.
So the idea is there but the execution of it is all wrong. Does anyone have a clue who is actually winning any of the categories?
I would like to see a proper Championship with a proper climax like you get in golf (Race To Dubai) or Tennis (ATP Finals) or practically every other sport. We already have the day in the diary – Champions Day – but at the moment any horse can run in the races. How about you actually have to qualify to run on Champions Day? Only the top 10 in the order of merit for each category can run? Huuuuuge prizes on offer to incentivise…. Obviously you wouldn’t get all the top 10 but you might get quite a few and you can have reserves. Cheltenham provides a wonderful climax to the NH season that the flat doesn’t quite have. This could be it……
Ok. Shoot me down – I’m ready with my tin hat!!!
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The difference with other sports is that it’s a level playing field in terms of playing each other or in tennis the potential to play against each other by winning and progressing.
Racing has the different categories and distances so you are not going to see Lady Aurelia taking on Shiekzayedroad for instance.
Ginger mentioned football teams having different amounts of money so not having an equal chance but same it’s the of racing ie Mindings owners having more money than Quiet Reflection’s for instance.
I don’t see this Premier League idea bringing in many more fans and could do more harm if the money is too high for the winner as horses could end up being over raced or put into races that doesn’t suit them for chasing money.
Nothing wrong with the suggestion and discussion of it, everyone has their opinions it’s what makes the forum what it is.
Joni and Steve you are both great posters and well respected on here and both have forgot more about racing than what I know about it. Both of you are very intelligent chaps.
I think you should snog and make up, keep the past in the past and do what you both do great at picking winners.
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Cheltenham provides a wonderful climax to the NH season that the flat doesn’t quite have. This could be it……
Cheltenham tends to be viewed by those of us inhabiting this miniscule exoplanet Racing as either a “wonderful climax” or a pain-in-the-arse because the whole NH season is geared towards it: does it not?
And for those poor souls who inhabit planet Earth I doubt it raises more than a nano-ripple in the national conciousness other than a brief mention at the end of the 6 o’clock news that so-and-so won the Gold Cup
The problem with specialist publications and message boards is that the readers and contributors are obsessed with the speciality. They wouldn’t buy it or be here otherwise; hence they tend to assume that because they’ve found a haven chock full with a few score fellow zealots then this is the world as it should be and it’s incumbent upon the members of this little club to spread the evangelical word and attempt to convert the miliion score who haven’t seen the light
I daresay the obsessives on The Synchronised Swimming Forum are currently debating for the nth time how a “proper championship” would “enhance our sport”; how the sport should be “marketed”; how do we attract “the young” blah blah
It’s nice, and in these troubled times, almost necessary to retreat in to a bubble you feel comfortable and content in; but one’s warm bubble is another’s snap, crackle, pop
Football works because fans follow their club (blindly) in many cases from cradle to grave, how can people invest in a similar way with flat racing where (at the top end especially) horses are around for 2 or 3 seasons max.
By the time the casual fan has got to know their name they’ve been whisked off to stud.To compare to football you’d need to be following a stable (club) rather than a horse (player).
It only pinches the name, Andrew. Not supposed to be anything like Football.
It’s not to get punters supporting a particular horse throughout the season – like football.
It’s to get newcomers interested in Racing FULL STOP, by using the racehorse as the hook.I became interested because of horses like Troy and Kris. Nowadays Racing does not get as much coverge in non-racing media and social media largely passes Racing by. imo We need something for newcomers to realise what they’re watching – a more effective hook.
Newcomers do not know what a “Group 1” is, they would know what “Premier League” means.Value Is EverythingShould I throw away my 66/1 voucher on Clemmie winning the English/Irish guineas double because I think Aidan will rest Clemmie for Premier League races only. Will anyone turn up for the Irish group 1’s or will Ireland set up their own PL…?
If it helps horses choose to race in Britain instead of Ireland, Nathan – good.
However, there’s enough time between the English 1000 and Coronation for them to run in the Irish 1000.Ireland can do what it likes.
Value Is EverythingCould imagine putting that in front of people in an attempt to attract them to the sport?
Might get rid of a few though.
Only needs the top 10 listed “in front of people”, Yeats.
I only did the whole thing to show TRF’s estalished racing fans how it works.
Although not sure that applies to you.
Value Is EverythingCheltenham provides a wonderful climax to the NH season that the flat doesn’t quite have. This could be it……
Cheltenham tends to be viewed by those of us inhabiting this miniscule exoplanet Racing as either a “wonderful climax” or a pain-in-the-arse because the whole NH season is geared towards it: does it not?
And for those poor souls who inhabit planet Earth I doubt it raises more than a nano-ripple in the national conciousness other than a brief mention at the end of the 6 o’clock news that so-and-so won the Gold Cup
The problem with specialist publications and message boards is that the readers and contributors are obsessed with the speciality. They wouldn’t buy it or be here otherwise; hence they tend to assume that because they’ve found a haven chock full with a few score fellow zealots then this is the world as it should be and it’s incumbent upon the members of this little club to spread the evangelical word and attempt to convert the miliion score who haven’t seen the light
I daresay the obsessives on The Synchronised Swimming Forum are currently debating for the nth time how a “proper championship” would “enhance our sport”; how the sport should be “marketed”; how do we attract “the young” blah blah
It’s nice, and in these troubled times, almost necessary to retreat in to a bubble you feel comfortable and content in; but one’s warm bubble is another’s snap, crackle, pop
About right. Sports gradually lose popularity (speedway, dogs, snooker) and gain (darts !) for reasons that no amount of marketing and championships will make any impact on.
look at formula one, if you have to. It’s clearly a gross, charmless, deeply boring exercise followed by plankheads who laughably think it’s glamorous when it’s about as appealing as an Unflushed toilet. And yet we are told people watch it. I think it’s a lie myself because they only way it could be watched is with the sound off and the TV turned to the wall
About right. Sports gradually lose popularity (speedway, dogs, snooker) and gain (darts !) for reasons that no amount of marketing and championships will make any impact on.
Are you saying we should give up then, Clive?
Value Is EverythingIt’s not perseverance. It’s obsession with being correct.
This is a total non starter. It belongs in the lounge. You know it will never happen, so why pretend it has any value?
Total and utter shite. Sorry, but somebody had to say it like it is.
I do have an “obsession”… with Horse Racing, I want to see it prosper, Steve.
To attract more enthusiasts.This idea I had (promted by Joni) could be done without changing the programme and I thought just might attract more enthusiasts. Pardon me for caring, but I’ll let it drop now. Didn’t think it would be something many TRFers would enthuse over, because it is aimed at newcomers… However, it will not work if established racing enthusiasts greet it with hostility. So I’ll admit defeat.
… For now. 
Value Is Everythinglook at formula one, if you have to. It’s clearly a gross, charmless, deeply boring exercise followed by plankheads who laughably think it’s glamorous when it’s about as appealing as an Unflushed toilet. And yet we are told people watch it. I think it’s a lie myself because they only way it could be watched is with the sound off and the TV turned to the wall
Agreed, it does nothing for me either but for the cognoscenti it’s no doubt fascinating to consider what tyres will suit the likely weather conditions; at what point will they need to be changed; how whoever handles the chicane; did whoever miss a gear coming in to a bend; did whoever choose the wrong line when being overtaken…
…and young men can relate to it because it involves cars, and cars are by default seen as ‘glamorous’ and ‘cool’ whereas horses aren’t
Motor Racing is for those crave to be accepted as part of the crowd; Horse Racing for those who crave exclusion
What do you think of 20/20 cricket Clivexxxx? It’s chucking a tin of lurid emulsion over The Mona Lisa in my opinion; but it brings in wedge, apparently
Nice to see England wearing cable-knit jumpers again
Can I just remind people of TRF rule number 1 on our list of forum rules –
1. No personal abuse or attacks. It is fine to discuss issues or to debate another person’s point of view or argument but it is not acceptable to attack them on a personal level.
Several posts on this thread (now deleted) crossed that line – posters indulging in repeats of that sort of thing will have their accounts disabled. Nobody wants to log in to TRF to read a slanging match.
Now, where were we…
Not cool.Cars are liked by “young men” that wear denim jackets and live in villages. Motor racing so for those that find Darts too complicated
I dislike 20/20. Ive been open minded about the format but it bores me. I perhaps pop along to one game a year at the oval on my membership, which says it all. I also think the ECB are making a mistake with this city franchise thing as you know from the weirdos forum we discussed it on.
As for racing, I think it will continue to attract crowds quite comfortably (ascot is a very appealing day out and probably the one sporting day that is throughly appealing to women) but enthusiasts im less sure. Especially on eth flat which can feel like a rather cold exercise in billionaires staying awake all night worrying about where their next billion pounds worth of stallion fees are going to come from
I think jumps is a different matter perhaps and the attendances around the southern courses (i go round that circuit all winter) are surely as high as they ever have been with it clearly being more of an enthusiasts crowd
About right. Sports gradually lose popularity (speedway, dogs, snooker) and gain (darts !) for reasons that no amount of marketing and championships will make any impact on.
Are you saying we should give up then, Clive?
No. I suggested making RUK free to air as a start.
About right. Sports gradually lose popularity (speedway, dogs, snooker) and gain (darts !) for reasons that no amount of marketing and championships will make any impact on.
Are you saying we should give up then, Clive?
No. I suggested making RUK free to air as a start.
Fair enough, Clive. Although Racing UK is owned by racecourses and racecourses have very little (if not no) interest in attracting enthusiasts because they don’t spend much money in restaurants and bars. As you say yourself; it is the “day out”ers that racecourses will “continue to attract”. Why would racecourses make RUK in to a massive loss making enterprise just to attract “enthusiasts” to our sport when already atracting the sort of crowds they prefer?
Value Is EverythingIm no sure i agree that courses are almost hostile to enthusiasts. If so, why have memberships? Im a kempton and Sandwon jumps member and its great value and very well catered for (especially Kempton)
Would RUK really cost that much? Does it really generate that much? The key with marketing is taht you have to bite the financial bullet sometimes and invest in a longer term view. RUK would effectively be advertising the sport and all advertising costs
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