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I said nothing about racing being less competitive and/or boring, the point that I was trying to make is that F1 is boring and as such I don’t think it should be used as a model that racing takes any ideas from as they are chalk and cheese in sporting terms.
Racing has a start and a finish, may be we should get rid of them too as they’re too similar to the F1 model?
Value Is EverythingGood idea ginge but where would they start from.?
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Not sure if this link was on here or not
http://www.championshiphorseracing.com/
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He said: “It’s very much focusing on the characters and key participants, so the jockeys and trainers if you like, as opposed to the horse. To keep the F1 analogy going, the horses are the engines but we need to get to know the people better. For the sport and its prestige we’ve got to build these people up.”
What an unpleasant idea. There’s already far too much importance placed on the human element in racing. One of the great attractions of horses is their inability to talk
Racing wasn’t broke when I became a convert 40+ years ago. Which explains why trying to fix it has been a succession of fk ups ever since
Some people are obsessed with change, things have to keep moving forward.?
No they don’t, not if things are fine the way it is. By changing and moving forward a lot of the time things go backwards, then when they go back to how it was it looks like it’s moved forward. Basically it’s a waste of effort moving forwards then backwards then forwards then backwards, just stay the way it works.Btw this teams things will be great for the p!ss heads.
poor ginger will be wearing his West Berkshire home strip and along will come the Newmarket fans with their strips on and the name of Gosden on the back, tanked up from a day of boozing and a host of losing betting slips in their pocket and kick the crap out of him and steal his binoculars.
What’s the percentage chance of that happening…?
Stick to your normal clobber eh Mark….
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Racing has a start and a finish, may be we should get rid of them too as they’re too similar to the F1 model?
Comedy gold that one
Some people are obsessed with change, things have to keep moving forward.?
No they don’t, not if things are fine the way it is. By changing and moving forward a lot of the time things go backwards, then when they go back to how it was it looks like it’s moved forward. Basically it’s a waste of effort moving forwards then backwards then forwards then backwards, just stay the way it works.I’m sure Kodak said the same thing Nath. Come on mate – this is naive in the extreme. It’s not about change for changes sake it is about not being complacent and moving with the times. If other sports are successfully tweaking their product to make it more attractive without losing their core supporters then why can’t racing? We are in a competitive environment and if you don’t move forward you can easily slip back.
There is some over-reaction on here I think. We are talking about a mid-week fixture that will run once a week for 8 weeks in the Summer. People often moan that there isn’t much happening outside of festivals and weekends, this might be an antidote to that.
I am almost fearful of quoting John Gosden from a year or two ago as, for some stupid reason, many on here don’t take him seriously, but, as usual he hits the nail on the head when asked about what he would change:
“It is not just attacking the betting industry, they have their problems. Their major problem is that the midweek racing is pretty weak on the whole. Cheltenham, to them, was a massive financial blow and they don’t make it back in the week because people aren’t betting due to the mediocre racing. So I think that we will need to have one really good meeting in the week with some decent class horses.
It is alright when you have a festival meeting through the week, like Ascot, but most weeks it is just pretty dull stuff – that has to be dealt with. Working with the betting industry, with the fixture list, and effective race planning is another thing I’d look at, in order to use the horse population far more effectively than we do.
There’s far too much ‘it’s always been this way and that is the way it is’. That is not good enough.
We have been a very fragmented industry over the years and I think we better wake up to the fact that there is intense competition for the leisure pound. We need to get our act together in a lot of ways and I think it can be done more by conversation and coercion not by bloody mindedness.
We shouldn’t be complacent. I think, we want to take some of the myth out of it. Of course going racing is a social event. It must continue to be pleasant occasion and racecourses have made a massive effort to make it a nice experience. However they want to watch their costs of admission, costs of drinks and race cards. I think that sometimes they overcharge but it is essential to make it interesting and fun.
As I pointed out, racing can be complicated but you can simplify it. There used to be this great mystique because that way people thought that they were absolutely brilliant because they understood and others didn’t. However, in this era there is a requirement for sporting events to be immediately engaging.
I find that we need to explain it more to people to make it more inclusive. Mark Twain said, ‘A horse race is merely a difference of opinion.’”
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Nothing wrong with moving forward Joni, I just don’t think this is the right move
It’s hardly revolutionary and not a patch on the T20 initiative
Just my opinion, good luck to them I hope it becomes a success but I don’t think it will that’s all
I’ll happily come on and hold my hands up if it proves me wrong but I think it will be inventor of the idea ending up wiping the egg off his face
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Some people are obsessed with change, things have to keep moving forward.?
No they don’t, not if things are fine the way it is. By changing and moving forward a lot of the time things go backwards, then when they go back to how it was it looks like it’s moved forward. Basically it’s a waste of effort moving forwards then backwards then forwards then backwards, just stay the way it works.Not “obsessed”, Nathan; just realistic. Like you, I’d love racing to stay as it is, but just recognising we can not stand still because things are changing whether we like it or not.
When Racing has a good Levy then yes, Racing is “fine the way it is” (was). Is Racing going to have as much money in future levy-replacements?
…And what about Changes to FOBT rules? Fewer bookmakers shops being profitable means closures. Personally, with other forms of betting I do wonder whether bookmaker shops have a shortish shelf life anyway; but it’s very possible less money will be coming in to Racing – especially in the near future.
When eventually pulling your head out of the sand, Nathan; Racing might have gone backwards to the extent Show Jumping has since you and I were nippers.
Not saying give this full reign, just don’t dismiss the idea before having a chance to show what it’s doing on the gallops. Could be a high earner yet.
Value Is EverythingChrist I think the Shergar Cup is a load of shite so god knows what I’ll think of this.
From what I’ve read on it, it sounds dreadful.
The bookmakers also sponsor a lot of the Snooker I believe Ginge, perhaps that will fold too.
I’m not sure what sort of people play £100 a spin on the FOBT’s but they must have a fair bit of money to burn, I’m surprised they visit high street bookmakers, surely to gamble to that extreme a casino would be the place to go. When I nip up the bookies the majority of people I see playing on those machines are going at £2 a turn anyway.
Think your head is in the clouds if you think everyone is turning over a £100 a time.
Not all bookies will close either, you only need so many anyway, if I pop up town there is 6 in the space of about a mile. I’m sure other towns/city’s have higher, most people going into them don’t care if it’s PP, Hills, Laddies etc any one will do.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
Think your head is in the clouds if you think everyone is turning over a £100 a time.
Not all bookies will close either, you only need so many anyway,As far as FOBT’s go, it’s how punters are betting more than they can afford. Added up, the amount of money gambled on them makes the difference between a profitable and unprofitable shop. Of course not all bookies will close, but a significant number are likely to close and that – in all probability – will hurt Racing.
Value Is Everythingmaybe those putting in a £100 a spin will turn to racing/dogs if the cuts come, so it might not be all doom and gloom, but problem could be getting that 100 on, on a horse/dog bet.
Time to stand up and take a bet lads.A lot of bookies are within yards of each other anyway, if one closes the other will get stronger
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Stock market values fell by £660 million on the news of the FOTB’s falling to £2.
Ladbrokes said a cut to £2 would have “serious consequences” for the survival of high-street bookmakers and the horse-racing industry, which is part-funded by a levy on bookies’ profits.
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Gee whiz, I never thought I would have to get my hat out and have a whip round for Ladbrokes.
Tough crap for them I would say. They survived long before FOBTs and will again if they work at it.
We live in the age of laziness. If the workshy pack it in, harder working people will replace them. It was ever thus and will ever be. These parasites think they are irreplaceable. Load of nonsense.
You would be as well saying that prostitution has had its day.
Welly from poor parasites.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Personally am all for FOBT’s being reduced to £2 stake whatever the consequences – in order to reduce the misery of thousands of punters and more importantly families… And of course Ladbrokes will survive in good shape.
However – as far as this thread goes – doesn’t matter what TRFers might think of any bookmaker or FOBT’s. Point is with less money coming in from FOBT’s fewer bookmaker shops are going to be profitable – therefore – business being business – a significant number will close… And – importantly regarding this thread – fewer betting shops will in all probability mean (at least in the short term) less money coming in to Racing… So in all probability we won’t have the money to carry on as we are today and can’t afford a – Racing will be ok whatever – attitude.
In the long term imo there is a possibility or even a probability of Racing filling at least some of the void of FOBT’s… And we should look in to every way of changing interest from machines to racing. However, there’s no guarantee that’ll happen and what if it doesn’t?
We must surely examine thoroughly any possible way of generating both money and interest?
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