Wins Arc, vastly overrated jockey

[MikkyMo73]

I would say it’s almost bordering on ridiculous to say that Fallon is over-rated.

Depends what the rating is. But when a certain well known journalist tells us that hes the "best ever"….. overrated is a mild description

I dont even think hes the best riding at the moment, let alone all time ffs

I don’t think he is the best riding at present either, nor is he the best ever Clivex – and this is exactly why I have asked for clarification as to why MM thinks he is over-rated.

If some one says Fallon is the best jockey ever, then yes, he is probably over-rated.

Mike

[clivex]

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[clivex]

yes it could be classed corporate crime but i’d like to see how many off them fat toffs in offices risk their lives by going out and riding thoroubred horses every day

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And id like to see how many of the stunted simpletons could analyse a balance sheet….

[matthew]

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[Andrew Hughes]

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[guskennedy]

For those who have the patience to review former Arc winners ridden by English jockeys may I suggest that they will find that Eddery on Dancing Brave and Kinane on Carrols House both caused interference by heading straight for the rail as soon as they got their noses in front. Kinane was subject to an enquiery and Eddery should have.Neither was punished. Before replying please study both of those races.

Eddery on Dancing Brave? You must have been watching a different race to me.

[Andrew Hughes]

Nonsense. It has nothing to do with defending anyone. I read your post, thought it was out of proportion and in poor taste and said so.

And please for the love of all that is holy, if you don’t quite know what a word or phrase means, look it up!

[Andrew Hughes]

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[Andrew Hughes]

I have yet to see such blood turned from one of Clivex’s stone’s.

This has a curious poetry to it and I enjoyed it

[clivex]

Cheers arandale. Couldnt have put it better

I cannot believe some of what ive read there

Nothing more to say frankly.

[madman marz]

When I started this thread I didn’t think it was going to become so heated,
Apologies for not replying earlier Mikky Mo, but my local team Moorefield beat our hated local rivals Sarsfields in the county final, so I was celebrating with a gratuitous amount of alcohol, as I type I am just finishing off the recorked bottle of chilean I had from last nights sit down chinse meal before I go for more of Neesons finest.
I never said Fallon was a bad jockey but good horses will invariably make good jockeys, another of the many incidents of Fallon ridden horses straying off a true line, Ad Valorem in the Queen Anne at Ascot, down right dangerous imo, how he was allowed to keep that race beggars beleif,
Fallon consistently flouts the whip rules ie over shoulder and forearm down the neck. familiarity breeds contempt, Eddery in his prime was pure poetry, Still stick resoluetly to my opinion on Fallon as been most overrated jockey that has ever ridden.

[Hawk Wing]

most overrated jockey that has ever ridden.

that would be a certain L Dettori

[MikkyMo73]

MM,

Never apolgise for replying late if the reason for the delay is that you were downing some alcohol

Thanks for your reply, I can see where you are coming from. Now get replying to the other 30 posts that have appeared while you were getting lashed

Mike

[madman marz]

MM,

Never apolgise for replying late if the reason for the delay is that you were downing some alcohol

Thanks for your reply, I can see where you are coming from. Now get replying to the other 30 posts that have appeared while you were getting lashed

Mike

Just waiting on the Taxi Mikky, about to get lashed again talk to you all thursday, as I have to actually go to work tomorrow.

[Cav]

Fallons record

Great Britain

* 1,000 Guineas – (4) – Sleepytime (1997), Wince (1999), Russian Rhythm (2003), Virginia Waters (2005)
* 2,000 Guineas – (4) – King’s Best (2000), Golan (2001), Footstepsinthesand (2005), George Washingon (2006)
* Ascot Gold Cup – (2) – Mr Dinos (2003), Yeats (2006)
* Cheveley Park Stakes – (1) – Embassy (1997)
* Coronation Cup – (3) – Daliapour (2000), Boreal (2002), Yeats (2005)
* Coronation Stakes – (1) – Russian Rhythm (2003)
* Derby – (3) – Oath (1999), Kris Kin (2003), North Light (2004)
* Eclipse Stakes – (2) – Medicean (2001), Oratorio (2005)
* Fillies’ Mile – (1) – Red Bloom (2003)
* King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes – (1) – Golan (2002)
* Lockinge Stakes – (3) – Medicean (2001), Russian Rhythm (2004), Peeress (2006)
* Nassau Stakes – (3) – Islington (2002), Russian Rhythm (2003), Favourable Terms (2004)
* Oaks – (4) – Reams of Verse (1997), Ramruma (1999), Ouija Board (2004), Alexandrova (2006)
* Prince of Wales’s Stakes – (1) – Bosra Sham (1997)
* Queen Anne Stakes – (3) – Kalanisi (2000), Medicean (2001), Ad Valorem (2006)
* Racing Post Trophy – (1) – Motivator (2004)
* St. James’s Palace Stakes – (1) – Dr Fong (1998)
* Sun Chariot Stakes – (1) – Independence (2001)
* Sussex Stakes – (1) – Ali-Royal (1997)
* Yorkshire Oaks – (4) – Catchascatchcan (1998), Islington (2002, 2003), Quiff (2004)

Flag of Ireland Ireland

* Irish Champion Stakes – (3) – Oratorio (2005), Dylan Thomas (2006, 2007)
* Irish Derby – (2) – Hurricane Run (2005), Dylan Thomas (2006)
* Irish Oaks – (3) – Ramruma (1999), Ouija Board (2004), Alexandrova (2006)
* Irish St. Leger – (1) – Yeats (2007)
* Matron Stakes – (1) – Favourable Terms (2003)
* Moyglare Stud Stakes – (1) – Rumplestiltskin (2005)
* National Stakes – (1) – George Washington (2005)
* Phoenix Stakes – (3) – Damson (2004), George Washington (2005), Holy Roman Emperor (2006)
* Pretty Polly Stakes – (1) – Peeping Fawn (2007)
* Tattersalls Gold Cup – (2) – Shiva (1999), Hurricane Run (2006)

Flag of Australia Australia

* A J Moir Stakes – (1) – California Dane (2006)
* Hong Kong Jockey Club Plate – (1) – Polar Bear (2006)

Flag of France France

* Grand Prix de Paris – (1) – Scorpion (2005)
* Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud – (2) – Gamut (2004), Mountain High (2007)
* Poule d’Essai des Poulains – (1) – Aussie Rules (2006)
* Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe – (2) – Hurricane Run (2005), Dylan Thomas (2007)
* Prix de la For̻t Р(1) РTomba (1998)
* Prix d’Ispahan – (1) – Falbrav (2003)
* Prix Jean-Luc Lagard̬re Р(3) РHold That Tiger (2002), Horatio Nelson (2005), Holy Roman Emperor (2006)
* Prix Marcel Boussac – (1) – Rumplestiltskin (2005)
* Prix Morny – (2) – Elusive City (2002), Myboycharlie (2007)
* Prix de l’Opéra – (1) – Zee Zee Top (2003)

Flag of Germany Germany

* Grosser Preis von Baden – (1) – Borgia (1997)
* Preis von Europa – (1) – Youmzain (2006)
* Preis der Deutschen Einheit (Hoppegarten) – (1) – Karavel (2006)

Flag of Hong Kong Hong Kong

* Hong Kong Vase – (1) – Ouija Board (2005)

Flag of Italy Italy

* Oaks d’Italia – (1) – Guadalupe (2002)

Flag of the United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates

* Dubai Sheema Classic – (2) – Fruits of Love (1999), Fantastic Light (2000)

Flag of the United States United States

* Arlington Million – (1) – Powerscourt (2005)
* Breeders’ Cup Filly & Mare Turf – (2) – Islington (2003), Ouija Board (2004)

Good jockeys get to ride good horses bad jockeys don’t.

[Himself]

Fallon is one of the best around. I put him right up there with the best – but below Piggott and Eddery, I hasten to add.

Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning

[seabird]

In fairness to Marz, he hasn’t said (I haven’t checked BTW) that Fallon isn’t good, just overrated.

Colin

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