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Thanks Joni, Chaos Raymo and Tonge
It really was the best day ever and Frankel looked amazing as ever having lost a good deal of weight.You’re right Raymo it was lovely to see Lady Cecil looking happy and she was so approachable and easy to get along with throughout the day.
Poignantly, we made a stop outside Warren Place on route to see Frankel and you could hear the sadness in her voice as she told us how Sir Henry’s beloved rose garden is now a car park although they did salvage some to put at the front entrance. Godolphin have kept the main yard and the beautiful listed house also remains.
On holiday now for a couple of weeks but will be looking out for Frankel progeny and especially cheering on First Eleven tomorrow.
Jac Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Have a great holiday Jac! Hope you were able to get on the ultra impressive Mekong. He is a serious horse on that sort of ground.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Mekong looks a different horse in soft ground – he pulled pretty hard for a 1m6f race early on and yet only had to be pushed out to win by 7L.
Could have a group race in him given those same conditions and maybe something in France or Germany where it is known to be quite testing at the end of the year or even the stayers race on Champions Day at Ascot if it came up soft like it can.
Not sure if they plan to keep him in training but he looks like he could make up into a cup horses next year as he is still lightly raced with today only being his 8th race.
Definitely a group horse over that trip or even further in those conditions LD. I would be very surprised if he wasn’t kept in training next year.
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"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
A little piece of interesting news……SING A RAINBOW finally broke her maiden streak yesterday, she was bred by Benny Andersson, he has now recouped some of the £125,000 he paid.
He is a long time horse racing fan and has been dabbling in breeding for awhile, must be nice to be so rich knowing that you’ll never get any of it back and be in it just for the fun.
All comers, all ground, all beaten
Is Frankel successful as a stallion? Is he worth a fee of £175,000?
On the 2017 leading sires list in GB & IRE which ranks sires solely by money won, Frankel was fourth. He had 77 runners, those above him in the list had 216, 214 and 175 runners.
Frankel is currently fourth in the Thoroughbred Racing Commentary sires list which bases its table on Impact Value and Time-Decayed Racing Post Ratings (see their website for an explanation of these terms).
On Thoroughbred Daily News sires lists Frankel is currently top by percentage of Black Type Horses and percentage of Group Stakes Horses, but is well down the list of top money earners because he has few runners in Japan and the USA where the prize money is much greater.
The sires ranking list that I refer to most frequently is the APEX list, because I think it does a better job of levelling the playing field when judging sire performance. It separates North America, Japan & Europe because prize money levels are significantly different in each. It makes judgements on percentages rather than absolute numbers because some sires have vastly more runners than other sires. It was was created by Bill Oppenheim, a breeding industry market analyst, consultant and journalist, previously with Thoroughbred Daily News and now at Bloodhorse. He has a website with lots of articles, and especially free-to-view APEX data about sires.
It works like this: – In each region in any year, a horse who earns enough to be in the top 2% of earners is called an A Runner. A horse who is in the next 2% of earners is called a B Runner. A horse who is in the next 4% of earners is called a C Runner. An average sire would get 2% A Runners, 2% B Runners and 4% C Runners, and 8% in the group of ABC Runners.
If a sire gets 6% of A Runners then the sire has an A Runner Index of 3, because it is three times as many as the average sire is expected to get. At present Frankel has an A Runner Index of nearly 6, the highest in the world. He has an ABC Runner Index of nearly 3, the second highest in the world.
At the end of 2017 the figures for the top five sires in the world were:
(The first number is the A Runner Index, the second is the ABC Runner Index. The website is not very good at columns, tables and tabs)
Dubawi 3.54 – 2.42
War Front 4.30 – 2.53
Galileo 4.60 – 2.43
Deep Impact 4.68 – 3.15
Frankel 5.59 – 2.64At the mid-point of 2018 the figures were:
War Front 4.63 – 2.68
Dubawi 4.68 – 2.70
Deep Impact 4.70 – 3.16
Galileo 5.66 – 2.66
Frankel 5.93 – 2.96The APEX sire ranking system says that Frankel gets a greater percentage of his foals into the top 2% of earners than any other stallion in the world., and is second in the world at getting his foals into the top 8% of earners.
Frankel is a very succesful sire, and in the current market is well worth the fee.
Classic winners and multiple group 1 winners is what ultimately it’s about in Europe and the states. Having a few group 2/3 and handicapped winners at 175k isn’t going to cut it for much longer
From the Racing Post database:
Worldwide Group 1 wins this year:
War Front 2 from 33 = 6.1%
Galileo 4 from 61 = 6.6%
Deep Impact 5 from 59 = 8.5%
Dubawi 4 from 35 = 11.4%
Frankel 4 from 30 = 13.3%Great post MV.
A couple of months of the season to go and I’m hoping for a strong finish from some of the more established older horses. To be honest since the highs of Royal Ascot there have been a few disappointments and the prevailing fast ground probably hasn’t helped. I think what we are seeing more and more is that Frankel’s need a bit of time (so probably won’t sire loads of Classic winners) and that they need a trip. There are very few Frankel’s who you could say have a proper turn of foot. It’s hard to see him producing a Sea of Class or a Lah Ti Dar for example as his are more gallopers than quickeners. It continues to frustrate me when I see jockeys use hold-up tactics with the Frankel’s. They are not meant to be ridden that way. A good example is Aljazeera who Luca Cumani was handling beautifully until Al Shaqab made the senseless decision to move her to France. We all know how French races are run and it has been sad to see her held up out the back in slowly run races and then plugging on into 5th or 6th. She needs an end to end gallop like most Frankel’s. When they get that gallop, they are hard to pass.
Today is a big day with Dubai Beauty going at Doncaster. She looked a very class type fto and looks the most likely 2 year old at the moment. There are one or two promising ones in France as well and Aiden has a very nice one entered in the RP Trophy who could be anything. This year was always going to be the slowest for Frankel’s 2 year olds. This crop were the last to be foaled before it was known how good his progeny would be and, because early indications in the sales ring were that he hadn’t “stamped his stock”, numbers fell as did the quality of the mares. Expect to see many more good ones over the next couple of seasons as the best mares have since have gone back to him.
One impressive thing that MV picks up on in his findings is the extraordinary consistency of the progeny. The win strike rate is extremely high as is the percentage of those that reach the 100 RPR. He has more Group winners at this stage of his career than either Galileo or Dubawi did.
He has established himself up there in the top 5 in his first proper season where he can have horses in all races and I am sure he will be staying there over the next 15 years.
Finally congratulations to New York for being the 100,000th view of the site he loves to hate!!!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
He’s had a few group 1’s and a classic winner as well.
All comers, all ground, all beaten
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