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  • #4663
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    Whos the better filly Light shift or Peeping fawn.For me its the latter,i know HC had the ground as an excuse for light shift on sunday,but looking at the race she would not of beaten peeping fawn on any ground.In the oaks at epsom if peeping fawn had not got pushed back from 4th till 2nd last after 2 furlongs,she would of won the race.

    #108258
    Cian
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    I think PF has kept improving since the Oaks at a better rate than LS.
    I would expect PF to confirm the placings on any ground tbh

    #108259
    the welsh wizard
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    I have always considered that given a better ride at Epsom Peeping Fawn might just have beaten Light Shift; she used up so much energy in closing the winner down in such a short space of time. I also think she might just have improved a little more since Epsom than Henry Cecil’s filly, who looked as fit as a butchers dog in the paddock that day whereas Peeping Fawn hadn’t quite come into the peak of condition. For all that, there is not that much between them, and how the cards are played during the course of a race could well determine who comes out on top were they to meet again. I think they are two well above-average fillies’ classic winners.

    #108261
    davidjohnson
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    At 12f I don’t imagine that Light Shift would ever finish in front of Peeping Fawn again.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if neither of them is as good as Silkwood.

    #108265
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    It’s one apiece. I wouldn’t totally dismiss Light Shift’s chances on faster ground, but on last Sunday’s evidence Peeping Fawn may just have the measure of Cecil’s filly.

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    #108271
    Flash
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    I don’t think there is much in it.

    Interestingly I read they both may head for the Nassau I would fancy Henry’s filly in that.

    On testing ground over a mile and a half Peeping Fawn is the better filly but on a quicker surface Light Shift probably is.

    I have peeping Fawn one pound ahead of Light Shift on ratings thats how close it is IMO.

    #108272
    Prufrock
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    I’m with Peeping Fawn, but not by much.

    I’m not concerned by the prospect of a return to 10f for the O’Brien filly either.

    #108273
    ClintM
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    Can’t be much in it, but the two have had two meetings now – one on soft and one on good to soft – and I’m hoping that their next meeting is on proper slick flat racing ground. That, to my way of thinking, will sort them out.

    #108276
    yeats
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    I agree Clint, it would be good to see them in the Nassau on good fast ground. To my eye Peeping Fawn showed a lot of knee action on Sunday and looked much more suited to the ground than Light Shift.

    #108365
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    Light Shift will turn her over on better ground. Peeping Fawn looks a great race mare to me and has guts and class but I think given better ground Light Shift will do her for toe, particularly over 10f if they were to meet at that distance. Light shifts win at chester sticks in my mind..

    I think these two could give the colts plenty to think about if either of their trainers get really ambitious… That’s more likely to be cecil given O’Briens fleet of blue bloods.

    #108370
    madman marz
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    Light Shift will turn her over on better ground. Peeping Fawn looks a great race mare to me and has guts and class but I think given better ground Light Shift will do her for toe, particularly over 10f if they were to meet at that distance. Light shifts win at chester sticks in my mind..

    I think these two could give the colts plenty to think about if either of their trainers get really ambitious… That’s more likely to be cecil given O’Briens fleet of blue bloods.

    All about opinions Aragorn,but I would bet my bottom dollar/euro that LightShift will never finish in front of Peeping Fawn regardless of distance and ground Ditto notnowcato/Dylan thomas.

    #108371
    Aragorn
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    Come on Madman, we all know O’Briens a useless trainer, he’s probably bottomed her out with all this racing :wink:

    Nah seriously I was there on oaks day and Peeping Fawn was my e/w bet, you could see from her form that O’Brien was effectively training her on the racecourse (Shocking I know) but she was ready for the oaks and yes she had to make up a lot of ground but when she got there Light shift picked up again and would have won no matter the distance that day. The ground wasn’t as soft as people made out either so given good-good to firm ground i’d be backing light shift.. It’s very close though.

    Notnowcato is a horse I just can;t work out.. I wouldn;t be surprised if he beat Dylan Thomas again but I just can;t back him for some reason…

    #108879
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    PF seemed to take ages to pick up before coming through late in the Pretty Polly but that was 10f. LS for me on decent ground /10f – she’ll be gone before PF gets into top stride but over 12f I’ll decide based on the ground on the day.

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