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The poll is an irrelevance, he could run in both -but as the previous poster mentioned, he won’t.
He’ll go for the Ledger – Coolmore have enough 10f Group 1 winners to shake a dozen sticks at – but no Triple Crown Winner – yet.
To return to the original question – i vote (wihthout a shred of hope) for both.
Did Henry also mention that he gave Frankel a very long break (over 10 weeks) between the Sussex and the QEII in his 3yo campaign yet seems more than keen that Camelot should not be afforded the same courtesy?
Eclipse, then the York International, then the St Leger and finish with the Prix De l’Arc De Triomphe. That’s a proper old-fashioned campaign.
Typical of a number of poll threads that intiator of the poll puts forward his own preferences without at least giving a choice of neither of the above.
Rob
A proper old-fashioned campaign would not include the International as it is only 40 years old. It is not a suitable race for King George winners or St Leger hopefuls and should be regarded as such.
Food for my thoughts, as is usual when i have read your posts Eclipse First.
I personally feel the Juddmonte is the least prestigous 10f Group 1 in Europe (although Bachelors Hall’s research suggested the opposite over the last decade, i still cannot shake my feeling as such) – i suppose the question could well be why is Frankel targetting it, but of course we are all well aware of the reason.
Camelot is the best colt of his generation on the British Isles. Let the other 3yo’s make the yard stick against the older horses.
A Triple Crown would imortalise Camelot, as it imortalised Bahram in 1935. I think it would be silly to go for anything less.A proper old-fashioned campaign would not include the International as it is only 40 years old. It is not a suitable race for King George winners or St Leger hopefuls and should be regarded as such.
Point taken but since I’m 51 then 40 years ago would be about right and that basis it counts! The last sentence is no more than your opinion.
My point is that it would be nice to see the colt campaigned against older horses before taking on the St Leger. I can’t see that the varying distacnes would be a problem as Camelot has hsown speed enough to win a classic over a mile while his finish in the Derby suggests that extended distances should prove no problem.
Rob
As Henry Cecil alluded to in yesterday’s post, there’s no reason why he can’t run in both so the poll is pretty flawed in that respect.
What I’m very mindful of however is that fact that Coolmore owes nothing to either the sport or to us the fans. Whatever they decide is in their best interests is their decision alone.
You misunderstood the question, like many subjects on here it’s just an opinion of what people would prefer to see, not putting Coolmore under any sort of obligation to comply.
It’s pretty irrelevant what Cecil says even if he thinks it, both races are a non starter.
Tommy Smith thinks there’s no reason why Frankel couldn’t take in the July Cup and Camelot the Eclipse & King George.There is strong evidence that King George winners have a poor winning record at York, only Dahlia has been successful. If a St Leger horse runs at the Ebor meeting it is either in the Voltigeur or the Ebor itself.
I would also suggest that there may be a sense of duty that the Irish racing public deserve to see Camelot race on home soil in his 3yo career.
Eclipse, then the York International, then the St Leger and finish with the Prix De l’Arc De Triomphe. That’s a proper old-fashioned campaign.
Typical of a number of poll threads that intiator of the poll puts forward his own preferences without at least giving a choice of neither of the above.
Rob
It would be pretty pointless putting your alternative Rob. Trying to put the two most likely preferences, we all know it is well odds on to be the Leger but if putting my own preferences I wouldn’t include the Leger which would be fairly pointless in itself.
Maybe you should do your own polls if you’re that bothered.yeats
I didn’t suggest that my alternative should be put in as an option. What I did suggest was that there should be an alternative of ‘none of the above’.
Rob
yeats
I didn’t suggest that my alternative should be put in as an option. What I did suggest was that there should be an alternative of ‘none of the above’.
Rob
There is – Abstain
But they will not be abstaining with the horses will they, unless something drastic happens. "None of the above" would encompass many secenarios of peoples personal fancies all grouped together, it’s not what I’m looking for really in a poll.
Question is a what they call a no brainer and IMO a non starter
Looking at the risks involved AOB is unlikely to take on Frankel in the Champion Stakes if his stable star wins the St leger/The Triple Crown.
His other choices would be. 1. Stay in Ireland for their Champion Stakes. 2. Go for the Arc 3. Go For the Breeders.
Much will depend on how much AOB really thinks of him. I doubt if he has him in such high regard he’d risk Camelot’s unbeaten record by dropping him back to 10f to take on the best horse in world.
Only a week separates the Irish Champion and the Leger so that is most unlikely, despite it being Ireland’s top race.
I can’t believe this poll is sitting neck and neck. Would anyone really prefer to see Camelot slogging it out with future hurdlers and horses he has already thrashed, rather than watch him take on the horse currently carrying the mantle of King of all he surveys?
I hope neither race happens for purely selfish ante-post Arc reasons with Camelot but I have no doubt which race would be more exciting to watch and slightly tougher to call.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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Whilst I would love to see Camelot vs Frankel at York, ultimately I’m a traditionalist so it has to be the St Leger.
Why take on Frankel.Frankel is a four year old miler.Camelot is a three yuear old mile and a half horse.To take on a mature four year old champion over a mile and 1/4 so early on in his career would not be in Camelot’s interest.After all Frankel did not take on older horses until he was ready.If Henry had Camelot would he take on Frankel while still a baby? I don’t think so.First he must repeatedly beat all the same horses at least three times.Then he will take on older horses at his preferred distance.Then we will see how good he is.
Something very few if any are taking into consideration is the form book.
Anyone studying the form book would immediately question Camelot’s form at any distance short of 12 furlongs.
He’s managed to win the 2000 Guineas by a short margin but only because it was one of the worst Guineas in the races history. From the 2nd to the 6th every one of them was stuffed next time out and that simply can’t be coincidence.
While it’s hard at this time to access how good a Derby it was Camelot was visually brilliant……unlike the Guineas he has murdered them and he looked like he needed every yard of the race.
So somewhere between an ordinary miler and a top class 12 furlong horse one is expected to come up with a horse good enough to give Frankel a race or beat him.
I think those are looking for something to challenge Frankel at 10 furlongs would be better searching elsewhere.
I reckon Frankel V Astrology over 10 is more likely than V Camelot.
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