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  • #133327
    Charlie D
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    If i’m employing Simon Rowlands i want him to write the interesting articles i know he can write.

    What is point of employing a former editor of Timeform, former Sportsman editor and then tell him to give out tips in the Sun reader style.

    This to me is waste of his talent and you may as well employ a numpty like me to do it

    #133330
    Charlie D
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    And while i’m on

    How the feck does a clown like Winstanley get a gig when there are people like Paul Smith around

    Didn’t Paul want job or was he never asked???

    #133336
    Venusian
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    To be honest, I don’t know what most of you are complaining about in those examples.

    Those tipping ‘articles’ where ‘the words are just a padded out version of information easily gleaned from the basic racecard and selections box, etc’ are usually in a tiny grey box where the journalist has been told to tip a few horses within 100 words. What do you expect? It’s a tipping column not an article, so why should it be the subject of literary criticism?

    It’s not a criticism of literary style, but of content! What I expect in a tipping column is something other than a longhand copy of what’s already present in the tips box. Such articles serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

    Instead, perhaps some analysis could be put forward on one of the selected races, for example, why Dogfood is such a good bet in the opener, what reasons there are that his main rivals won’t beat him – the going, the way the race is likely to be run etc, and leave out the padding about the other selections.

    With the honourable exceptions of those already praised in this thread, why are so many racing journalists so bloody idle?

    #133341
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    Fist, i’ve always enjoyed reading newspapers of any kind and after George Washington’s death saw one of the most tasteless and stupid articles in my time written in the Sporting Life. the title was something like "George Gashington dies while Curlin scoops to victory". I thought the two things should have never have been put in the same sentence as that was showing a lack of taste and furthermore a lack of respect for George Washington. Anyway I got critsized for it by most on here and was told there was nothing wrong with the article, which to this day i find hard to fathom. My point is I very much doubt you’ll get any concessions from people on here especially from people close to the industry like PRU! :)

    Prufock, you can’t just stick Lydia’s name in there and hope it will brighten things up, the others, like the post in general are a complete bore and waste of money just the buying the racing post is.

    ps, good luck with that bet Fist i wanted more of about 10 or 12’s so i’ve stayed out but good luck anyway.

    Geez marb I hope it was nothing I said mate…….horse was expected to run very close and I couldn’t see it being out the 3…but he was no good thing or I would have backed it win only.

    #133347
    mulls74
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    If you asked the majority of racing "journalists" to put their qualifications on the table, most would be reaching for their coat.

    The best racing journalists are the ones who earned their stripes on news before specialising – if I was employing a racing journalist, I wouldn’t look at anyone without that experience.

    There are obviously exceptions to the rule but most people put up in this thread as good writers are competent at very best.

    Tipsters are different, they don’t need the same skills – but just because you write in a newspaper, it doesn’t make you a journalist.

    A lazy hack might now say that if you sleep in a stable it doesn’t make you a horse (I’m sure the subs will edit that bit out).

    #133357
    Charlie D
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    If you asked the majority of racing "journalists" to put their qualifications on the table, most would be reaching for their coat.

    Yes they would, because a large part of em don’t really understand betting, have no real grasp of the formbook or breeding and it is these that are the qualifications required for a person to comment on this great sport

    Alan Potts or a Nigel Hawkes? – I know who has the correct qualifications to talk and write about racing and it ain’t the latter

    #133375
    Drone
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    The time-honoured deference in which professional journalists generally were held has ebbed away thanks to the advent of internet newsgroups and forums. It’s become plainly obvious that many members of the non-hack proletariate are at least their equal when it comes to producing thought-provoking, well-crafted prose and oft times their superiors with regard to knowledge-of-subject; this forum no exception.

    A good thing all round and Prufrock’s words (with which I’d agree) “I think the standard of racing journalism is higher than it has been for some time” is due in no small part to the competition from internet forums, plus of course the resource of knowledge therein they can cream off.

    #133376
    Charlie D
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    The time-honoured deference in which professional journalists generally were held has ebbed away thanks to the advent of internet newsgroups and forums. It’s become plainly obvious that many members of the non-hack proletariate are at least their equal when it comes to producing thought-provoking, well-crafted prose and oft times their superiors with regard to knowledge-of-subject; this forum no exception.

    A good thing all round and Prufrock’s words (with which I’d agree) “I think the standard of racing journalism is higher than it has been for some time” is due in no small part to the competition from internet forums, plus of course the resource of knowledge therein they can cream off.

    A good post Drone

    #133431
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    That is the type of post I am talking about, well written interesting and straight to the point………I would rather read a forum than a newspaper. I think a forum like this gives people a far better insight to what racing is really like………..as reporters have much more restrictions on what they can say.

    #133628
    Seagull
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    The worst racing jounalist if we can allow him to be included in that proffesion must be the one probably the one read the most and that of course is self named ‘Punters Pal’ aka Claud Duval.

    Yesterday his ‘work’ was more or less a list of trainers that will be having runners in the Dubai Carnival meeting he wrote that Dave Compton will be working for Sky and has been working undercover for him and his source told him about the new track at Meydan and his words were ‘its not new racecourse its a new city’
    (Something I wrote a lot about on here this time last year after coming back from Dubai).

    The final part of his work yesterday was regarding how he thinks Richard Pitman should be included in the Sunset and Vine team who are covering the Garnd National team for the BBC!

    Half of his time in the past was spent finding faults with The Daily Mirror and of course the other newspaper in the same stable at the time, The Racing Post.

    #133642
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    Duval’s column at the turn of the year showed how out of touch he is with the paper’s readers, and everyone else who doesn’t spend their time in the press room, quaffing champagne and gaffawing at bawdy mother-in-law jokes (and ignoring the horse racing).

    Horse Racing’s Man Of The Year was Aiden O’ Brien for talking to him for 30 minutes. That’s it: for talking to Claude for 30 minutes, Aiden is the sport’s Man Of The Year and has supprassed all other achievements in 2007. The Worse Moment Of The Year was when he attended some celebratory dinner and someone gave a boring speech.

    It just showed how self-interested he is, even when he’s supposed to be writing for the general public.

    #133804
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    There’s a few names been mentioned here I have never heard of so I am no expert on who is good and bad these days.

    One guy I came across a long time ago was Marten Julien who was working with Brough Scott on creating an article for the Sunday Times. He had a huge following with some amazing winners and very seldom were they heavily gambled on horses.

    I often ran into him, sometimes on the gallops in the morning, sometimes at one of the yards round Malton and for sure at the races.. He really worked at his job unlike some others I knew and was a terrific judge……….He was also a great character and there must have been only one mould. You could spot him a mile away and one morning I was riding out for Mick Lambert he walked out of the mist and I thought it was Jesus himself……..you had to be there but white coat long hair beard……uncanny :lol:

    It was also uncanny how he could dig out winners at big prices. One day he told me to back a horse of Peter Beumont’s and I got 50/1 in a 7 horse race in bad race at Kelso………it won by 20 lengths or maybe even a distance and went on to be a very high class horse..I can’t for the life of me remember the horses name now.

    He also created Dark Horses which was also very successful and an excellent read………I know he ran or runs a tipping service but what a loss he was to newspapers………..most of them I see don’t seem to have a clue and like writing there are better judges on here.

    Amazing how some guys on here, who have never even sat on a horse can read a race and give sensible comments and advise……..I find most betting shop punters are dumb as hell and haven’t a clue what they are talking about……….comments like he stopped it, ………wasn’t trying a leg (beaten a short head in a driving finish),They cut up the race between them, they know what’s going to win, I could have won on that…….and the classic he jumped off it and so on…..thankfully we don’t have that here

    #133808
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    And while i’m on

    How the feck does a clown like Winstanley get a gig when there are people like Paul Smith around

    Didn’t Paul want job or was he never asked???

    Would you know if he is the same guy who took the role of Garryowen (Scottish Daily Record) from Alex Duncan, when he died?

    Old Alex was some character always last to leave bar after racing. Couldn’t tip his hat he was so drunk never mind a winner….don’t think he even watched a race….Once told me the KLONDYKE 3 which ran for years, wasn’t actually anyone….it was 3 different girls every day from the DR offices who took turns at picking a horse each in rotation.

    He wrote some dribble in his times and can’t say it changed much when his predecessor took over.

    #133812
    Charlie D
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    Fof

    i can remember seeing Gordon Brown and garryowen being mentioned in same sentence, whether this was correct or if he took over after the man you mention died, i ain’t got a clue tbh

    #135000
    Lincoln Duncan
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    Marb, you’re being distinctly unfair. You’ve picked out a paragraph that you don’t agree with – not that is incorrect – and used it to generally slag off journalism as a whole.

    The PA, on the whole, employ young staff who do not earn a great deal (and considering they’re now based outside London, even less than they used to). The piece in question was a football report, not the kind of piece in which you would ever find rational introspection, which was probably written/compiled in a hurry.

    The writer/compiler was probably also doing three other jobs for the website at the same time, all under pressure of time because that is the point of the PA (who are responsible for the sportinglife website).

    Some journalists are lazy, cliche-bound and plain inaccurate – and rightly attract derision. The boys and girls at the PA (and I used to work there a long time ago) are none of these and work a lot harder for a lot less than most of you lot do.

    When reading some of the contributions to this forum, I sometimes ask myself ‘where on earth do they get them?’. There is occasionally a complacency about this site that is wholly unmerited.

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