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As well as Hamas – at the end of this war – Israel’s government could be considered terrorists.
Value Is EverythingI said earlier:
“Missile was more powerful than anything Hamas has so Israel has come up with a story…
Israel blaming Hamas, saying the missile was aimed at Israel, went off course, hit the area around the hospital which had an explosive store near it which exploded. That seems a massive coincidence to believe”.The Aljazeera “live” footage at the time certainly makes the Israeli claims a bit more believable now.
…And yet Aljazeera themselves continue talking about “Israeli attack on the hospital” as if a fact.Value Is EverythingIf Israel had not gone for an all out attack on Gaza ( which was obviously going to kill innocent civilians) they would have had the whole world supporting them in destroying Hamas. As it now stands, the world is looking in horror at what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. This is what Hamas wanted. Why do governments not learn from history…Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq. And, as was pointed out by a Palestinian ambassador on TRIP’s, the Jews were the victims of the Nazis and the Palestinians are the victims of the victims. Western countries have been carving up the Middle East since 1917. They created borders where no borders had ever existed thus preventing Arab nomads from being nomads. I saw a programme on channel 84 (?) a few months ago from which I realised how long drawn out and complicated the creation of the state of Israel had been. I had just assumed it was post WWII but it had been ongoing for decades.
Why do governments not learn from history…
“What experience and history teaches us is that people and governments have never learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it”
Georg Hegel – circa 1800
The argument Israel use Moehat, is:
Civilian Jews have been attacked, killed or hijacked within Israel by Hamas. The biggest pogrom since the holocaust. Therefore Israel has to go into Gaza in order to destroy Hamas to ensure it does not happen again. Israel’s official policy is not to destroy Gaza, whereas Hamas’s official policy is to destroy Israel. Hamas defences need to be softened up before Israeli military forces go in. Israel says that if Hamas puts their defences in or near civilian buildings, then it is Hamas’s fault if Palestinian civilians get killed by Israeli missiles.How would you advise Israel to get rid of Hamas if not going into Gaza?
Value Is EverythingOne of Israel’s previous leaders Menachem Begin was described by the British as a “terrorist leader”, when fighting for a Jewish homeland. Another leader of Israel, Ariel Sharon took part in revenge missions against Palestinians and later became known as the “Butcher Of Beirut”.
Value Is EverythingOne of the saddest aspects of this entire mess is that Israel’s apparent aim of wiping out Hamas is impossible to achieve.
I would not say it is impossible, Glad’; but with what they’ll have to do to get rid of Hamas it will cause more ill-feeling towards Israel… Power vacuums tend to produce something worse than what previously existed; eg an ISIS type.
Israel had also got better / normalised relations with several Arab / Muslim countries and even on the brink of a deal with Saudi Arabia. This war could bring an end to all of those too.
Value Is EverythingAs usual the growing death toll just collateral damage to hamas and israel. The only thing I support there is peace. It just seems an endless round of killing and revenge. They will have to really negotiate or this will just keep happening. So depressingly predictable.
Israel’s aim is to wipe Hamas of the face of the planet, that in itself I don’t
have a problem with. How many fathers, mothers, sons and daughters, not being
part of Hamas, have seen their family blown to pieces by Israeli bombs. What
do they expect to happen next, they are breeding a second tier of people who
have only one thing in mind, to take revenge on the country that have destroyed
their homes and family. This will never end.I’d like to conjure up the four women of the famous Bletchley circle to find a workable solution to what might be described as a hell hole, however even they would have their thinking caps stretched as there are very big egos at play to dismantle and mountains of testosterone itching to do something and dark clouds of heaving history pressing and omnipresent covering the tortuous scene. Sadly the four gals are preoccupied playing harp with the saints in a remake of Agatha Christie’s rambling back garden beautifully surrounded by peaceful lakes and best we leave them to enjoy themselves in peace, and just hope for a lull.
Apologies BigG I’ve accidentally trumped your thoughts.
No need to apologise Gamble, we are both thinking along the same
depressing scene. How long before Iran and/or Hezbollah (already
engaged to an extent) get their size 9s with steel toecaps on.
Putin happily sees the eye of Sauron has now fixed it’s gaze
further afoot.At the start of this brutal affair, Hamas were and are the scourge of the earth,
their brutality knew no bounds. Everyone willed Israel to seek them out and eliminate
them. What followed didn’t, and isn’t achieving their aim. Everyone, The UK the US and
several other western countries were bending over backwards to show how they were 100%
behind Israel. There is a fair bit of backtracking now as people sit in horror watching
at what is unfolding in Gazza. Another 700+ people, many of them children, were killed
in their homes and shelters over the last 24 hours.How many of these were associated with Hamas. I would have to suspect that the huge majority
of Hamas fighters were miles away in their tunnels which are anticipated to cover 300 miles.
None of these children were part of Hamas, although I wouldn’t be surprised if those lucky
enough to survive, having seen their mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers and Grand Mothers
and Grand Fathers unfit enough to make the journey south, not that travelling south has guaranteed
any form of protection, end up with only one aim in life, revenge for their lost family.The world, or the west in general, were with Israel but how can we stand by and allow thousands
of civilians to be blown apart and their homes destroyed. This wasn’t the original intention,
or at least not the above board original intention. Cutting electricity, water, food and esential
fuel for hospitals and the civilian population is against International Law. How are Israel
allowed to continue with these measures, if Russia had done this we would quite rightly be up
in arms condemning them.The Un Secretary General condemned Hamas for their brutal assault on innocent Israelis, but added
that this didn’t happen in a vacuum. Anyone who thinks there isn’t a background knows little about
the history between the two. This in no way exonerates what Hamas did. Israel’s Ambassador to the
United Nations stated “A secretary general who does not understand that the murder of innocents can
never be understood by any ‘background’ cannot be secretary general.”How many children will be killed in Gazza. The eventual number is not yet known, but I can say
without much doubt that it will be many times that of the Israeli children that were massacred.
Both are of course abhorrent. I wish Israel could hunt down and destroy Hamas but to be honest
I don’t think this is achievable, I think this will be a never ending war going from generation
to generation. The lifelines the civilian population of Gazza need now, must be delivered. If not
I think there is a realistic prospect of an escalation involving neighbouring countries. That would
bring about destruction on an unthinkable scale.Is there ever going to be a solution. Too many vested interests at play. It’s heartbreaking watching the senseless loss of life on both sides and it feels like groundhog day for the umpteenth time. It fills the news channels but meanwhile countless thousands of lives are ruined. I so detest religion and all the misery it brings. When are we ever going to be rid of this tribalism.
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