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December 19, 2011 at 01:34 #383215
Colin, I think you’ve found the nailed on value in the race. Slower ground and longer trip look ideal for him
December 19, 2011 at 19:09 #383289Darren it’s unnatural how often we fancy the same horses for these big races.
Chicago Grey would be my selection also.
He looked like hacking up at Cheltenham when coming to grief. He then ran deplorably last time again at Cheltenham, but something had to be amiss imo. I believe he’s been freshened up for this, which has been his main target since the start of the season. He’d prefer good ground but handles soft. He’ll be ridden conservatively and with that in mind, as others are tiring, he looks an excellent each way prospect at the very least.
December 20, 2011 at 20:48 #383443Fabalu to win, already got a few quid on up to 65’s, and Ballyfitz each way for me.
I’ll have to take Fab on trust, as he’s returning from a break, but encouraging to see him entered. One of my favourite horses, it’d be great to see him land this. Been waiting to see him in something like this for a while now.
As for Ballyfitz, he alway just seems to miss out on the big win in these chases, but I’d be quite confident he’d place in this.
Ballyfitz does seeme extraordinarily well-weighted, doesn’t he? If the weights go up, in excess of 2 stone. He’s a fair stayer and lepper. Horses around the 10 stone mark seem to have the best record
December 20, 2011 at 21:48 #383450Yeah, expecting a big run from him Grimes, he just always seems to find 1 or 2, too far ahead of him at the business end of his races. A really likeable horse, he deserves a big prize like this.
December 20, 2011 at 23:06 #383470Darren it’s unnatural how often we fancy the same horses for these big races.
Chicago Grey would be my selection also.
He looked like hacking up at Cheltenham when coming to grief. He then ran deplorably last time again at Cheltenham, but something had to be amiss imo. I believe he’s been freshened up for this, which has been his main target since the start of the season. He’d prefer good ground but handles soft. He’ll be ridden conservatively and with that in mind, as others are tiring, he looks an excellent each way prospect at the very least.
I like the horse a lot, but would not be able to back him on soft.
December 21, 2011 at 21:30 #383604Martin Pipe won it three times on the trot in the early nineties, and if his son has Or noir De Somoza fit, and he jumps, it’s all over bar the shouting.
He’s on 10.6, and was odds on(!) for the Grand Steeplechase de Paris in 2007, but fell at an enormous obstacle. Mid Dancer, who was the stable’s unfancied and rejected in favour of ONdeS, went on to win it. And I believe he’s not a bad sort.
He’s got a lot of miles on the clock and in grade races and will never be as god as he was, but he’s still only a 9 year-old and evidently still considered to be potentially very useful.
ONdeS has won three grade 1s in France and countless grade 3s and 2s; he’s only won over 22f, but apparently stays well. He ran ( 50/1) in this year’s National and fell at the 6th (Bechers). Who knows….? I’ve just had a little on at fifties.
December 21, 2011 at 22:00 #383609Martin Pipe won it three times on the trot in the early nineties, and if his son has Or noir De Somoza fit, and he jumps, it’s all over bar the shouting.
He’s on 10.6, and was odds on(!) for the Grand Steeplechase de Paris in 2007, but fell at an enormous obstacle. Mid Dancer, who was the stable’s unfancied and rejected in favour of ONdeS, went on to win it. And I believe he’s not a bad sort.
He’s got a lot of miles on the clock and in grade races, but is still only a 9 year-old.
ONdeS has won three grade 1s in France and countless grade 3s and 2s; he’s only won over 22f, but apparently stays well. He ran ( 50/1) in this year’s National and fell at the 6th (Bechers). Who knows….? I’ve just had a little on at fifties.
Has no chance. Cannot believe they bought that to be a National horse. Doesn’t have the ability or the breeding.
December 21, 2011 at 22:17 #383612Oh, well, back to the drawing board. Though I think I’ve done my dash with my remaining fancies after the latest withdrawals.
December 21, 2011 at 23:03 #383623Oh, well, back to the drawing board. Though I think I’ve done my dash with my remaining fancies after the latest withdrawals.
Just that he’s never won beyond 2m6f, they bought him and his first race in England was the National !!! Crackers.
Might fare better this time in the Welsh, but think he’ll fade tamely.
December 22, 2011 at 18:02 #383740Giles Cross is my selection. Ran very well in the race last year and only put up 4lbs for his last win and I think that is very lenient. Only running off a 4lb higher mark than this race last year aswell.
December 22, 2011 at 22:24 #383784giles cross for me to, seen as though beautiful sounds is no longer in there
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December 23, 2011 at 00:15 #383794giles cross for me to, seen as though beautiful sounds is no longer in there
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Sorry if this sounds like some aftertiming but Beautiful Sound is entered in the Welsh Natonal worth £45k in WALES and the Paddy Power chase in IRELAND worth €90k.
No way I would have touched an Irish based horse for this antepost. I know Chicago Grey is still in it but with 3 entries its dicing with cash to second guess Mr. Elliot.
December 23, 2011 at 09:08 #383803Think Mon "The Three Legged Horse" Mome looks a good each way bet @ 50/1.
We all know he stays if it turns into a bit of a slog I can see him staying on into a place.December 26, 2011 at 18:19 #384224INDIFFERENCE CURVE at 33/1 my tip is
December 26, 2011 at 19:37 #384239I was very impressed by Cannington Brook last time out despite about the worst piece of idling I’ve ever seen. He’s seriously unexposed in my view with quite a bit more to come.
He Seemed to get on much better – jumping-wise – with Tom O’Brien last time than with his regular rider J Tizzard. He’ll love the ground and, I think, the trip, and is a very sound EW bet imo.
I’d fear Cappa Bleu, if he is definitely over whatever was ailing him, and Blazing Bailey, but will be betting Cannington Brook with some confidence.
December 26, 2011 at 22:39 #384280With the defection of Chicago Grey I think Ballyfitz is the one to be on. He was fourth in the race last year, and has an 8lb swing in the weights with Giles Cross for nearly nine lengths. You wouldn’t think there’ll be much between them going by that. He was second at Cheltenham on his reappearance before unseating last time. If he gets his jumping together he’ll be a major player imo and odds of around 20/1 are very tempting.
December 27, 2011 at 13:39 #384381I was very impressed by Cannington Brook last time out despite about the worst piece of idling I’ve ever seen. He’s seriously unexposed in my view with quite a bit more to come.
He Seemed to get on much better – jumping-wise – with Tom O’Brien last time than with his regular rider J Tizzard. He’ll love the ground and, I think, the trip, and is a very sound EW bet imo.
I’d fear Cappa Bleu, if he is definitely over whatever was ailing him, and Blazing Bailey, but will be betting Cannington Brook with some confidence.
I too am on Cannington Brook Steeple. Trip should suit and although not a winner over jumps on soft ground, acted well on it on the flat. One of few with a chance of improving. Hopefully the distance will help with his jumping.
Am also on Le Beau Bai. Loves heavy ground and Chepstow. Won at 3 miles last time and stays extreme distances extremely well. Still well handicapped on form of a couple of years ago.
Savers on Galaxy Rock and Our Island. Improved last time at Cheltenham, though not a great race for the course, on good-soft 3m3f. Has good form on heavy and stable in form.
Our Island finished close to Cannington Brook last time (3m heavy). Staying on all the time. A further half a mile could see more improvement. Now backed him to make a main bet.
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