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  • #14546
    Glenn
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    A fitting end to the all-weather season, with two horses with no form getting smashed off the boards by the psychics and fighting out the finish. One of them (a tailed off 50s poke off 54 at Kempton LTO, the 9/4fav off 53 today) had travelled from overseas to contest the £1400 prize! Hopefully the end of this dross will signal a turning point in the levels of larceny in our sport. Let’s face it, they could hardly get any higher.

    But wait, it doesn’t end. It starts again tomorrow and then there’s double helpings on Monday and Wednesday! Is there any possibility of containing the rise of the dross on the all-weather? Every season they put on more and worse races and then proceed to put on even more and even worse fixtures to supplement the already burgeoing list.

    What purpose exactly does it serve other than boosting the trialteral’s FOBT revenues?

    #285806
    Avatar photoanthonycutt
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    Which race was this?

    #285809
    berminn
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    9:10 Wolverhampton

    #285811
    Avatar photoanthonycutt
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    Yeah, if you’re referring to The Bay Bandit that looks pretty dodgy.

    Still, don’t back the odds, back the horse. That’s what I always say. No form to win it, didn’t win it.

    #285872
    Nick Baker
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    Is there never any "dross" on the turf or even over jumps with very low grade horses running for peanuts where the occasional big price winner springs up from nowhere? Why do people who don’t like all weather racing feel the need to beat it at any opportunity?

    #285882
    Avatar photogrey dolphin
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    Because it’s rubbish :D

    #285895
    Nick Baker
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    Because it’s rubbish :D

    Well don’t watch it or bet on it. Or should we just close the Aw tracks? But then there are a fair few "gaff" tracks we’d have to get rid of too because the standard of racing there is pretty poor.

    #285902
    Glenn
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    This isn’t a rant about the all weather

    per se

    , it’s a rant about what makes up an ever increasing proportion of the races run there, for horses races in the 40s and 50s where the prize money is less than two grand to the winner.

    There were very few big priced winners spring up from nowhere this winter. Plenty of short priced winners springing up from nowhere. Quite literally in some cases, having been beamed in from the other side of the world and immediately alloted a handicap mark to run for £1400.

    One of the problems with laying these no form short ‘uns is that you had very few horses really trying for you. You wouldn’t classify them as non-tryers, but the rides were characterised by total indifference at best. And who can blame the jockeys when circa 90% of their official earnings in such races now come from fixed riding fees? Why bother having a go when the punishments for trying too hard outweighs the official rewards for doing well? It’s only worth it when the money’s down.

    Whenever I see something really bad I look at the stewards reports on the race. Most times there’s no mention of the blatant cheating in the report. Instead there’s an endless procession of one day bans for other riders in these races for minor infringements. Nero was a committed firefighter compared to our current stewards.

    I won’t even go into the blatant laying coups this year. Weren’t the rabble supposed to be going after undesirable owners a while back? Then how come the owners’ list at some of these meetings (or at at least the list of those who pay the bills if not those actually named as the owner) reads like the cast of a Guy Ritchie film?

    #285906
    indocine
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    Instead of coming here bleating every time you get caught with your pants round your ankles go take look in the mirror and see what an arse looks like.

    #285914
    Avatar photoricky lake
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    Glen , good post I agree its about the quality and the quantity …but we have to remember the levy is about losing , racing and the bookies have now designed a programme of aw racing that is loaded with dross, so who wins doesnt matter its a lottery , the main winners are the bookies and hence the levy and the show stays rolling …the jockeys , trainers and racegoers if any are merely bit players

    so what to do …the only way you as a person can bring change is to ignore it , dont watch it , dont bet or contribute to the levy for this product , its the only way forward , hurt them in the pocket , it will bring change

    I have done just that since November , so for all I care it does not exist , if a substantial amount of folk took the same action , we would get some change and rapid !!!

    Levy = losers +victims=low quality dross roulette races

    discriminate punters =winners

    I know which category I want to belong to :mrgreen:

    cheers

    Ricky

    #285933
    Glenn
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    The things is Ricky, there are good races on the all-weather. Today’s Kempton card is almost comparble with Doncaster in terms of quality, yet the entire card has less turnover on BF, at time of writing, than a single Doncaster race.

    Take the televised listed race at 3.35. It has done a sixth of the volume of the Donny listed race despite having a shape typically more condusive to BF turnover. The entire all weather hass been tainted by association with the dross. It drags everything else down with it.

    #285995
    clivexx
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    I just dont get this stuff

    If i wanted to watch premiership football and not conference, that is what i would do

    Unless there is an economic case against low grade racing whereby it is draining the resources from "quality racing", i fail to see what the problem is

    Just ignore it

    #286021
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    Hi Clive , the problem is that between November and April there is no good stuff , its all dross

    simples :lol:

    cheers

    Ricky

    #286030
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    Hi Clive , the problem is that between November and April there is no good stuff , its all dross

    simples :lol:

    cheers

    Ricky

    Now then Ricky. It doesn’t matter how convincing an argument you make now. You used that stupid bloody meerkat quote. Drives me up the wall.

    Hmmmm meerkat racing, it’s the future!

    #286031
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    Is there never any "dross" on the turf or even over jumps with very low grade horses running for peanuts where the occasional big price winner springs up from nowhere? Why do people who don’t like all weather racing feel the need to beat it at any opportunity?

    Spot on. For me, the problem is all these anti-AW people are talking with their pockets. Horses running in a Class 6 handicap might not be as fast as See The Stars but they’re still going at a fair old clip.

    clive’s football analogy holds up. The Premier League may make all the headlines but it doesn’t mean the Conference isn’t worth watching.

    #286040
    clivexx
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    Hi Clive , the problem is that between November and April there is no good stuff , its all dross

    Now now Ricky!

    There was previously….nothing. Is that better?

    also, be fair, a few AW races during that time are of reasonable standard

    Hows work going BTW? Going to drop you a line on that …watch out :)

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