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Maybe they’ll all become carpet fitters?
I’m sure there’s good money in carpet fitting, not sure I’d want to breathe in that adhesive all day though…
So, in the future, to become a teacher, young people will start their adult lives with a debt of £60,000. Three year degree course plus one years training. My daughter then had to buy a car for her training year, because she couldn’t carry all the marking home on the bus. And that’s assuming it’s possible to live on £6,000 a year. In a few years time this country will have a shortage of teachers and engineers and we’ll be wondering how it happened. All this at a time when we’re trying to persuade people not to live off their credit cards and be more realistic about their spending capabilities.
I’m sure there’s good money in carpet fitting, not sure I’d want to breathe in that adhesive all day though…
As well as the adhesive, there is arthritis in hands, knees and feet, with a bad back. And you probably would not make 21k. Van to buy and run, insurances. Then there’s the free measures, you’re working for nothing some days. Got to work on until the job is done, so any problems, builders, painters in your way; can mean a 10 or even 15 hour day. And when you are being paid by square metre, that is not good. Being self-employed too means no work – no money. Not that I am complaining.
People should be glad to pay something back once they reach 21k.
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I’m sure there’s good money in carpet fitting, not sure I’d want to breathe in that adhesive all day though…
Addles the brain; apparently!
There is millions of people up and down the land who would give their right arm for a salary of 19k a year, I’ve friends, family, neighbours, etc…who are struggling to get jobs and struggling to provide for their families and would love to be on that kind of money and could do a hell of a lot with it.
.. are you suggesting that these people you know will go and get a £46k loan and buy a £19k a year job with the money ?? I’m sure that could be arranged, the chinesse gangmasters operate around the blackpool area I believe. Might make even more than £19k a year with them, if you put yer back in to it !!
Told you they’d be angry your daughter is getting a free-ride Pete, absolutley livid, in fact some of them don’t even think £46k is a lot of money .. how the other half live eh lol.
Absolutely no idea where you’re coming from with Chinese Gangmasters and Blackpool pal?
No anger whatsoever coming from me towards Pete’s daughter either, I wish her all the best in a career which I’ve a hell of a lot of respect for.
I still stand by what I said, that 46k isn’t the life stopping amount you make it out to be in THESE circumstances! Of course it’s a huge amount of money, but for someone starting out in their working life with 50+ years ahead of them potentially earning a decent living it’s no show stopper!
.. arent you saying that paying £46k to buy a £19k a year job is a bargain? Thats the gangmaster thing isnt it, buying a job?
You just sounded a bit desparate in your earlier post is all .. sorry if I picked u up wrong. Family and friends giveing their right arm for 19K a year etc.
arent you saying that paying £46k to buy a £19k a year job is a bargain?
But Dave, if you earn £19K p.a. – you don’t pay the loan back! Simple.
.. and if you don’t pay the loan back isn’t that how we got into this mess in the first place ?
Some peeps who earn f* all also seem to think that £46k of debt is f* all and I dont know why lol.
An article by Dr Martin Stephen in the Daily Telegraph
“Why does no one have the guts to stand up and denounce the morally reprehensible evil of elite universities setting targets for their recruitment of state school pupils, as reported in the Telegraph? We need to be clear about the reality of this policy. There is a very fine and sometimes indistinguishable line between targets and quotas, and the clear ideology behind this “target-setting” is that state school students should be involved in a publicly-accepted policy of discrimination against independent school pupils.
Why should a young person sent to an independent school be discriminated against? It’s no more their “fault” that they attend an independent school than it is someone’s “fault” to be born female, or a member of a specific racial, ethnic or religious group, to be gay or to be growing old. Yet apparently it’s quite OK in this area to visit the perceived sins of the fathers and the mothers on their children.
These targets stink to high heaven on every possible front. They do nothing to solve the real problem, in that they do nothing to force schools to make their pupils aspire to elite universities, or force schools to improve their teaching so that pupils can gain the qualifications to send them to those universities as of right.
They let schools and the Government off the hook for failing to reach high standards. They patronise the pupils unbelievably, in effect declaring them academically disabled and giving them a blue badge to park at a top university – in places that are not so much reserved as taken away from others. The policy is not even based on fact, assuming no state school pupils come from highly-privileged families and no independent school pupils are poor or disadvantaged. The policy also seems to blame young people and independent schools for doing too well.
The real solution could not be simpler. Force state schools and their teachers to have the highest aspirations for their pupils; demand they teach to the highest grades; put larger numbers of graduates from elite universities in front of disadvantaged children, as in the admirable Teach First scheme, as role models. All the emphasis on targets will do is deprive our leading universities of some of of the top talent they need to be world-class, and send many of the brightest and the best of our young people flocking to overseas universities – universities who do not seem to share our politics of envy or our passion for a very old social war. Our state schools need to emulate the independent schools, not be a party to having them killed by the politics of envy.”
Can’t argue with that surely?
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