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Of course, racing needs their money through entry/admin fees and sponsorship. I still scratch my head at the 2007 Greenham when Dutch Art was beaten for Paul Roy. I approached him some time later on in the day and said ‘Does he still go for the Guineas?’ and he replied with this incredibly pompous tone ‘Absolutely!’ Hmmmm. Dutch Art destroyed the winner that day (Major Cadeaux) in both the Guineas and the Maurice Gheest. Am convinced something was up there.
This is pure speculation on my part and I’m not accusing My Roy, Mr Fortune or Mr Noseda in any way, shape or form. I’m sure the horse wasn’t tuned up on his seasonal debut as he had bigger fish to fry later in the season. Hmmm…
Could, everybody please stop making wild allegations about jockeys? Nothing has been proven as yet.
Please choose your words and statements with care.
Regards
Hello Kirsty,
Surprised to see you on here. You’re supposed to be riding at Yarmouth right now. Stop grabbing at straws
Congratulations to the BHA for bringing these serious charges against the individual’s concerned. Lets hope if found guilty by the independent disciplinary panel the jockeys involved will receive lengthy bans of many years. The sport badly needs to start sending out a deadly serious message, deliberately stopping horses is a career ender.
cormack and matron – Could you provide some guidance on what can and cannot be said on this thread, nothing has been proven yet. I recall a blanket ban on any threads relating to the conspiracy to defraud case at the Old Bailey a few years ago.
If found guilty they should throw the book at them (thicker the better).
Particularly surprised Greg Fairley is in the list.
All this Horseman’s Group talk about tarriffs; makes you realise the only one that matters is Minimum winners prize money. BHA should up it; and any race not worth the minimum is thrown away.
I believe the vast majority of racing in this country is straight, it is just the dross, where races are not worth winning you get skulduggery.
I don’t bet on class 6.
Value Is EverythingCav spot on as always
Ginger , if you trawl through my posts , you will find that I knew that something was rotten in the state of Denmark for a long time
it just remains to see what comes of the 2010 races under review , if the Bha should chose to follow those as well
Betfair cannot be too pleased as this will give ammo to their knockers in the USA , and would not be surprised if they refused to get involved in any AW racing later this year
RFC will be charmed of course !!!!
Ricky
Cormack, is "on the case"
The Boss is currently laying down in a darken room hoping it all just goes away
I am alone in my non surprise at this? There are races most days that jockeys ride "bad" racesin and they can’t all be misjudged!
My take on it all is "If you believe racing is totally straight you have lost already".
Sorry if I sound cynical but I call it realism. Trainers run horses over wrong trips in wrong ground and on unsuitable tracks daily and tell jockeys to look after horses in these situations and nothing is ever done about it so as long as you know or think you know it goes on then you can read between the lines as far as form is concerned.
Its a shame but the truth as I see it !!
P.S. far be it for me to cast aspersions but isnt one of these jockeys "good friends" with a jockey that ha sbeen charged with similar things before?
Cormack, is "on the case"
The Boss is currently laying down in a darken room hoping it all just goes away
Laying down? Surely it’s standing room only in that room at present.
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You’re telling me one of those jockies would read TRF and find posts they were uncomfortable with then bring a "username" into court?.
Not a legal man myself but surely you’d be laughed off by a solicitor?
The BHA clearly state that those jockies have been charged, I presume this means they have been found guilty?
So why do we have to pussy foot about then, say what you like imo.
So why do we have to pussy foot about then, say what you like imo.
For once spot on Mr. Wilson!!
Whats seldom is wonderul!!
Mr Wilson,
Isn’t it, "innocent until proven guilty"; not the other way around?
They remain innocent until otherwise proven.
Which is why we should be careful in what we say.
I for one, do not care if we could get away with saying bad things about these jockeys. It is just WRONG to say things that MIGHT not be true! Truth is everyone deserves a FAIR trial.
There but for the grace of the bloke that doesn’t exist go I.
Value Is EverythingBeing charged is not the same as being guilty. On the face of it these jockeys have quite a strong defence.It will be interesting to see how the financial evidence turns out because I don’t think videos of rides on their own will be anywhere near enough to get a conviction. Any jockey can have a few bad rides through bad luck or incompetence.
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Ahh ok thanks guys, they’ve been found guilty by the BHA but it’s when they are found guilty by the High Court we can start saying what we like?
Being charged is not the same as being guilty. On the face of it these jockeys have quite a strong defence.It will be interesting to see how the financial evidence turns out because I don’t think videos of rides on their own will be anywhere near enough to get a conviction. Any jockey can have a few bad rides through bad luck or incompetence.
I agree, if you had every jockey down on a list and had to cross off those who had 5 bad rides per month you wouldn’t have a list at all.
What are the horses, does anyone know?
I am alone in my non surprise at this? There are races most days that jockeys ride "bad" racesin and they can’t all be misjudged!
My take on it all is "If you believe racing is totally straight you have lost already".
Sorry if I sound cynical but I call it realism. Trainers run horses over wrong trips in wrong ground and on unsuitable tracks daily and tell jockeys to look after horses in these situations and nothing is ever done about it so as long as you know or think you know it goes on then you can read between the lines as far as form is concerned.
Its a shame but the truth as I see it !!
P.S. far be it for me to cast aspersions but isnt one of these jockeys "good friends" with a jockey that ha sbeen charged with similar things before?
I don’t think anyone believes the game is "totally straight" Raymo. I am not "surprised" it goes on at the lower levels, whether this particular case is proven guilty not guilty.
Trainers running horses over "wrong trips" as you put it, are doing absolutely nothing wrong. It is up to punters to take a look at breeding and character to see if a horse is likely / unlikely to be suited by the trip. "Nothing is ever done about it" because they are breaking NO rules.
Value Is EverythingInteresting.
Regarding the only horse of those that I know anything about, Obe Gold, it’s unusual to see a horse run on consecutive days isn’t it?
After previously running on the 9th. Won a fair lick of money in his time & is in France these days.The trainer had him for those three races only, trained by Dandy Nicholls before & Paul Howling after.
Without saying anything libellous, I’m surprised to see no trainers have been mentioned in the reports.
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