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Seperate point: Who on earth was doing the commentary on the Ganay on Sunday……..was it Tanya’s posh long lost brother ……..was I alone in thinking the Mrs Bouquet attempts at French pronounciations sounded absolutely terrible as did the failure of the commentary to progress and climax with the race. Poor,amateurish and detracted badly from what should have been an early season highlight.
I thought the commentary was God awful as well, with the guy seeming obsessed with sounding French, as if it was compulsory because the race was in France.
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Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
French trainers rarely get their horses at their peak for their seasonal reappearances anyway. Treve is still very much the best horse in the world in my books. Kingman may have something to say bout that eventually as may Australia, who is still all hype atm. Just A Way from Japan and their 3 year old filly, Harp Star, both look very talented but all of these still have a lot to prove.
Treve will walk the Prince of Wales in my opinion. My only slight worry is Frankie who looked out of sorts against Soumillon out there. I would rather Jarnet had kept the ride.
Was it such a bad run though? Trip, going, fitness were all in Cirrus favour and over the same distance and near ground got Frankel off the bridle albeit Frankel was slow out the gate. Treve was hardly going to be trained to the minute as Cormack has already alluded to that there is big fish in the pond to catch in October they still would have been confident of winning and it must have come as a setback but not exactly end of the world performance on her reappearance or is it that the horse lost? Would Frankel not be the best of all time had Zoffany stayed on to beat him at Royal Ascot?
Whether Frankel was the best of all time is a separate issue and has already been well debated. Queally was widely criticised for the Ascot ride and I don’t believe anyone thought the winning margin accurately reflected the relative merits of the two horses.
Surely we are not saying that as an eight-year-old Cirrus Des Aigles is really as good as he was two years ago? He has had 11 races since the Frankel clash and yesterday was his first Group 1 win.
It is all well and good suggesting she has one target but would they really throw away the unbeaten record by sending her out badly under-cooked against a useful rival? It would not have looked so bad had she looked like winning by daylight only to palpably ‘blow-up’ but that was never the case.
Look the horse got beaten.It does not make her a bad horse nor Frankie a bad jockey.Everyone needs to slow down a pace.The world is not as we thought but we will adjust.She is still a wonderful filly and Frankie will deliver for his present owner like he delivered for his former one.The season has barely started.Everyone need take a big breath and get on.As for here in the USA it is neither how often you win nor how often you get beaten that counts.Your overall record is what counts.How many times did you enter the fray and what was your record? Getting beaten is not a disgrace but facing the challenge is an important feature of ones record.
Surely we are not saying that as an eight-year-old Cirrus Des Aigles is really as good as he was two years ago? He has had 11 races since the Frankel clash and yesterday was his first Group 1 win.
It is all well and good suggesting she has one target but would they really throw away the unbeaten record by sending her out badly under-cooked against a useful rival? It would not have looked so bad had she looked like winning by daylight only to palpably ‘blow-up’ but that was never the case.
Cirrus does not need to be
"as good as he was two years ago"
Stilvi.
I don’t think anyone is denying Treve was disappointing yesterday; but there were a lot more possible excuses than
"under-cooked"
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Value Is EverythingIncidentally if another Frankel should come along that would be a bad thing? I don’t think so.But to be scared of such a possibility.Not so good.
It is like Sir Henry set the rule.Don’t get in (the race) if you are not sure you will win.Now we must all follow.
But horses are not machines.
Faugheen is, no?
He’d win the Ascot Gold Cup if trained by Mr Weld.
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But horses are not machines.
Faugheen is, no?
He’d win the Ascot Gold Cup if trained by Mr Weld.
And a July Cup if trained by Mr. O’Brien!
She never looked like she was travelling in that race to be honest.
I was one who felt that her performance in last year’s Arc was something of a one-off. None of her other races were anything like as impressive.
And when you break down the 2013 Arc field it looks very weak.
Shades of Danedream about her. Still a very good filly, but clearly overrated.
But horses are not machines.
Faugheen is, no?
He’d win the Ascot Gold Cup if trained by Mr Weld.
A "machine" that needs to go a faster pace than he’s ever done over hurdles.
A "Machine" that can hit obstacles running at fewer revs per minute that he’ll be running at today.
Value Is EverythingIf I were Criquette Head I would be wanting Thierry Jarnet back in the saddle for the season. The filly goes well for him and he seems much better suited to Treve and her style of running as she always takes a keen hold and needs settling before being pushed to lead and quicken.
That is probably what should happen but of course it won’t. No doubt people will be thinking similar thoughts without committing them to print.
Frankie has now ridden her twice. On the first occasion he made what seemed a relatively straightforward task look difficult and at no stage in yesterday’s race was she travelling as if she was going to win as the market and her previous races suggested. It is not that hard to believe that she just goes better for Jarnet.
The alternative argument is that she was either sent out half-baked or she is simply not as good as last year.
Another defeat and connections might easily decide that will be enough. Personally, I wouldn’t want to take 5/1 about her running in the Arc. At the moment it is impossible to know the make-up of the field.
Not all that surprising that the Forum digs out the story before the press ask any questions.
Being the legendary ruler of Ante-Post betting and King of foresight,or is it King of Ante-Post betting,legendary ruler of foresight,whatever.The best thing that could have happened for those
Treve
fans was for her to get beat on her seasonal debut.As so often is the case Ladbrokes take a stand on interpreting the form as literal whereas anyone who understands Horseracing knows there is only one race connections want to win with her and thats a repeat Arc victory.She could go for the Prince of wales (2/1 she’d be odds -on if she runs) and then an Arc Trial but thats it,her season is geared quite simply towards Longchamp in October so 5/1 about her is big.I’m quite surprised at the ‘Over-rated’ comments on here about her,surely you guys can see the wood from the Trees? Write her off at your peril.Like Cormack says I’d take 5/1 about her allday over ‘Australia’ at 16/1 anyday.
Thought so!!
Legendary Ruler blah di blah..King of Foresight..Yeh yeh never had a penny on after writing yet another word perfect prophecy back in April this year.. At least I never got ‘Frankely’ carried away like poor Joni.. Well spotted Corm too by the way.
Legendary Ruler blah di blah..King of Foresight..Yeh yeh never had a penny on after writing yet another word perfect prophecy back in April this year.. 
At least I never got ‘Frankely’ carried away like poor Joni.. 
Well spotted Corm too by the way.
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