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How did a "fresh" Nacarat do last year at Aintree?
And when was his last win, and in what grade?I’m not betting in the race, just wondering – given that NTD has IC bouncing and doesn’t share the "fresh" angle widely touted for his own horse – where the stone improvement will come from for Mr George’s runner?
Zarkava is a trends man so no wonder he is all over Nacarat and i agree with him tbh
Hope he wins for connections
I wouldn’t alogether rule Carruthers out. I’ve never felt he was at his best around Prestbury Park. The small field here will also play to his strengths and he’s a big price at 14/1.
I agree with that, but he had a small field at Cheltenham for the Pillar and struggled to beat Joe Lively. He probably had the hardest race in the Gold Cup of the lot of them as well.
The notion that Nacarat’s form is flatlining is a joke. He beat Razor Royale giving him 17lbs. Beat Madison du Berlais by 30 lengths getting 4lbs. He was the only one to try and go with Kauto Star in the King George and paid for it. Won’t hear of defeat for him.
Btw, the Melling was far too sharp for him on ground that was too fast last year.
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beat the handicapper Razor Royale, if this helps, as I fondly remember the 25/1 win, thinking rightly that Nacarat wouldn’t be good enough, as stated on here
On a separate note, can people stop blowing their own trumpets? Darren’s claiming credit for being the first person ever in the history of the world to mention Special Duty and St. Nicholas Abbey, obviously forgetting that they’ve not won any Classics yet. Big Buck’s is claiming credit for Razor Royale and saying he said Nacarat wouldn’t be good enough, etc. I had the winner of the World Cup at 25s and 20s and haven’t said a single word about it until now. Can people just tone their egos down, please. There’s such a thing as humility. Sometimes this place is as bad as that pathetic ‘Punting high/punting low’ thing in the Racing Post these days.
Classic!!
Well done on the big prices about the World Cup winner, that’s a fine bit of winner-finding. Mine is more relevant though, as I’m hinting at why I took on Nacarat in a handicap, and why I’d be against him here.
But each to their own.
fwiw here are the owner’s thoughts
Bobby Dazzler 07 Apr 16:15
"My thoughts are I would rather he was in a field in Ireland – I agreed with the trainer that we would listen to the horse who has done himself no favours. He was stiff when he first cantered but has bounced ever since and schooled brilliantly. On that basis and on the basis there is no ground risk we take our chances. Paddy will not be hard on him at all – he will be allowed to go out and enjoy himself, and if he isn’t he will be pulled up.The Mildmay course is not my favourite, it is tighter than most punters realise and suits smaller more agile types – I cannot see a betting angle in the race – if IC ran to anything like his ability then he would win, but a hard Gold Cup, the nature of the track and the fact that he will not be treated harshly are negatives. Two of the other runners had a hard race in the Gold Cup – not sure WAF will enjoy the track anymore than IC."
Really illuminating to hear the owner’s opinion – thanks for posting.
I think like most races you have to take a stance.
On form who wins? IC
Will IC show his form or near to his best form? Yes.
Winner IC at a momentous price!
Zippy
On a separate note, can people stop blowing their own trumpets? Darren’s claiming credit for being the first person ever in the history of the world to mention Special Duty and St. Nicholas Abbey, obviously forgetting that they’ve not won any Classics yet. Big Buck’s is claiming credit for Razor Royale and saying he said Nacarat wouldn’t be good enough, etc. I had the winner of the World Cup at 25s and 20s and haven’t said a single word about it until now. Can people just tone their egos down, please. There’s such a thing as humility. Sometimes this place is as bad as that pathetic ‘Punting high/punting low’ thing in the Racing Post these days.
I’ve not said any of the above comments but….what the hell?
This is a horse racing forum where the majority of forumites enjoy a punt! If they have a winner they’re fully within their rights to brag about it! I’d be more worried if a punter treated a big winner as ‘routine’!
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"this is a horse racing forum"
Precisely!
Its purpose, supposedly ‘intelligent discussion about horseracing’, and not a school playground for the comparing the size of our fathers.
I agree entirely with Zarkarva.- Total Posts 17716
Horses run well when they are well and trainers say things that are often no more than excuses when a horse runs badly. Punters latch on to a few words it spreads like wildfire and it becomes gospel.
Imperial Commander needs to be fresh falls into that category IMO.
The horse didn’t need to be fresh when he won 2 on the trot when he first hit the headlines and he blundered his way out of his next race at Cheltenham behind Joe Lively.
In 2 of his other runs he was well beaten by Kauto Star but what wasn’t? He went to Ireland in the hope the ground wouldn’t be too bad but it was run in a bog and half the field failed to finish.
I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t put this falacy to bed today and hack up in a race that can only be described as as a joke.
This is a horse who made Denman look like a tree yet. Considering he beat What a friend giving him lumps of weight in the Hennessy if Denman was running in this and not Imperial Commander he’d be 4/11 to beat this lot.
Some fancy Nacarat but I could find dozens of better 9/2 shots to be throwing my cash onto with a realistic chance of winning.
You’ll go along way to better the evens available about a Gold Cup winner taking on handicappers at level weights. Most of which you couldn’t trust as far as you could throw.
Time to get the shovel out the garden shed and start piling the cash onto what looks a nailed on certainty to me.
Imperial Commander 1/1
let me at ’em!Fist, some good points there about misleading quotes and beliefs…
But the same could be said for Kauto Star, second in the 2008 Gold Cup but was beaten by Our Vic (albeit a nose) and Denman, second in the 2009 Gold Cup but a faller in this race. Both were considered "nailed on", but both beaten – only time will tell whether IC can buck this trend, albeit he actually won the Gold Cup this time. I also find it a bit harsh to say the race is a "joke" when you have What a Friend, the Lexus winner, Nacarat, a former RPC winner, and Carruthers and Calgary Bay, both decent up and coming chasers, in the field. Should be a good, competitive race IMO.
let me at ’em!
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