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Whilst racing undoubtedly faces difficult times following the recent dismal failures of both the BHA and CPS, it is important to remember that there is still plenty to look forward to. And look forward we do with what must be one of the most competitive renewals of the Tingle Creek in the race’s history, not withstanding Moscow Flyer’s victory over Well Chief and Azertyuiop (I still say he was better <!– s8) –>
<!– s8) –> ) .Voy Por Ustedes was incredibly disappointing on his return for me, especially with the form Alan King currently has his string in, and whether or not he can cement his Champion Chase victory I don’t know.
Monet’s Garden is a classy animal, jumps and travels well and will be ideally suited by 2m around a course such as Sandown. Going right-handed clearly doesn’t phase him, judging by his impressive victory at Ascot last season, and the ground is not a cause for concern. With a true gallop, he has to enter calculations.
Whilst he clearly has plenty of ability, I’m yet to be blown away by Twist Magic and just wonder whether he’s up to taking on the best of his division at such an early stage of his career. His beating of Fair Along earlier this year wasn’t flawless (and represents a relatively poor line of form in light of the runner-up’s subsequent exploits) and he far from impressed on his return. He was entitled to win by a street running from a rating of 158, and I would have liked to have seen him take the contest with a little more authority.
The Racing Post forecast has <b>Ashley Brook</b> at a ridiculous 5/1, and if he is anything close to that tomorrow then he has to be the bet of the season thus far. He held Kauto Star to only 1.5l in this race two years ago and looked to be running a huge race on his comeback last time. Still travelling well enough in front, he wasn’t certain to be overhauled by the eventual winner and, as a result, has the benefit of not having had a hard race this season. Jumping has to be a concern considering that fall, and a mistake when closing on Voy Por Ustedes in the Champion Chase, but he should be able to dictate from the off and could just hold the edge come the finish.
Am I alone in thinking if they’d have let them that were parading run, they’d still have provided the first three despite their advancing years. The 2m Chase division really is chronically weak at the moment.
Twist Magic goes 5/2 on BF after that superb performance. Travelled like an absolute dream! I’d say it’s a fair reflection based on that run, he’s beaten all there is to beat in his division.
A bit disappointed with MG, thought he’d travel a bit better than he did. Unless you can guarantee a break-neck pace in the QM I doubt we’ll see him at Cheltenham now.
Am I alone in thinking if they’d have let them that were parading run, they’d still have provided the first three despite their advancing years. The 2m Chase division really is chronically weak at the moment.
It’s not the best DJ, but I think it’s a tall ask to compare them to Moscow and Azertyuiop, two of the finest 2-milers there have been in our lifetime!You don’t have to trust your money to daylight robbers.
Voy Por Ustedes can be backed at 5.3 (nearly 9/2) or laid at 5.7 (just over 9/2) on Betfair.
Twist Magic is 3.35/3.45 (between 9/4 and 5/2) and it’s 13 or bigger the remainder.
‘The winner was cut to 5-2 from 4-1 for the Queen Mother Champion Chase by *****, with Voy Por Ustedes unchanged at 3-1 .’
Disgusting.
No, not disgusting, just an option you need not take in an open market.
Nobody find Hoo La Baloo’s run and finishing position a tad suspect??
He looked like he was gonna finish 3rd until run out of that position on run in by Monets and It’s hard to envisage a 22 run Chaser improving much.on his OR
Monets 14lb his superior and VPE 19lb
Winner did it nicely, but Hoo La’s position has me thinking VPE and Monets were not seen at anywhere near their best today
Thoughts???
The ground is timed as Hvy (officially Sft) as per RP results and Hoo La Baloo is more of a stayer IMO than a 2-miler. I would be disappointed if he was raised for this as he does seem very exposed at this stage.
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Winner did it nicely, but Hoo La’s position has me thinking VPE and Monets were not seen at anywhere near their best today
You’re probably right Charlie D, otherwise we’d also have to believe Twist Magic has improved about a stone?
Maybe neither of them were suited by the heavy ground while the winner obviously was, (Which is different from what all 3 trainers were telling us earlier in the week
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I get going as heavy also and agree with you regarding Hoo La Baloo
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It’s weird one, if you take VPE and Monets as running near/to their OR’s then it suggests Twist Magic has improved a stone and Hoo la has improved 11lb
This also surprises me a tad
Trainer Alan King said: “No excuses. He’s done everything right, just been beaten by a better horse on the day.
Twist Magic goes 5/2 on BF after that superb performance. Travelled like an absolute dream! I’d say it’s a fair reflection based on that run, he’s beaten all there is to beat in his division.
A bit disappointed with MG, thought he’d travel a bit better than he did. Unless you can guarantee a break-neck pace in the QM I doubt we’ll see him at Cheltenham now.
Am I alone in thinking if they’d have let them that were parading run, they’d still have provided the first three despite their advancing years. The 2m Chase division really is chronically weak at the moment.
It’s not the best DJ, but I think it’s a tall ask to compare them to Moscow and Azertyuiop, two of the finest 2-milers there have been in our lifetime!Don’t forget Well Chief was in the mix with Azerty and MF. Well Chief probably the best 2 miler of recent years not to win the Champion.
I concur with DJ that the 2 mile Division is chronically weak at the moment. VPU beat a moderate lot last year after Well Chief crashed out without proving how much ability remained after his injury.
Monet’s Garden needs another half mile and flatter track.
Ashley Brook- has it won since its novice days?Perhaps Twist Magic represents the future?
The most likely occurance for me is that Twist Magic has obviously improved a bit, Hoo La Baloo has probably run up to form, Monet’s Garden below his best as he needs further, Voy Por not quite at his best though equally flattered by his OR.
Never mind Moscow Flyer, Azertyuiop and Well Chief, todays lot would be left trailing in the wake of the likes Flagship Uberalles, Edredon Bleu and Direct Route. Cenkos would probably have won today’s race too imo.
The most likely occurance for me is that Twist Magic has obviously improved a bit, Hoo La Baloo has probably run up to form, Monet’s Garden below his best as he needs further, Voy Por not quite at his best though equally flattered by his OR.
If your analysis is correct DJ
Twist Magic has improved only around 3lb
VPE has run 11lb below his OR, (you could be correct regarding him though)
Monets has run 13lb below his OR
Hoo La to his mark
Ashley Brook has run 29lb below his ORConclusion : the ground ( form on very soft in France according to form book) looks have played a very big part in him winning the race and he could be very opposable in a rematch under better conditions
I’d stop short of saying he’d be very opposable next time. Given the way he travelled, he looked as if he’s got a better performance in him and his spring form shows than better ground holds no fears. I wouldn’t be in a hurry to think any that were behind him would reverse the form on the same terms in a hurry.
I backed TW fto and although i knew he would probably come on for that and he was a threat today, i thought the improvement needed to beat VPE would probably be beyond him
I’d probably take VPE to turn it around under better conditions as i think his mark is about right
Twist magic is a great price at 5/2 for QM. He slammed the reigning champion chaser on unsuitable ground. the ground suited VPE much more. Also such a young horse can only improve. And just to add weight to the argument- He’ll have the services of ruby walsh in future unlike today. With Well chief out of the picture, he looks like he can dominate the division for years to come.
I backed twist magic but only because his odds were too long, also thought monets garden or ashley brook could win but plumped for twist as he is a two mile specialist. Did not fancy voy por at all, as form is very shaky when you look at what he has actually beat. Seems to have been lucky that better horses have fallen when he has run against them but not from anything he has contributed to the race, maybe he is more effiicient at finishing races.
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