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BigG,
Yes, Scotland – as a country – has the right to determine its own future; but it can not be allowed a referendum every few years. The whole “generation” thing was not by accident. Business needs to know how things are going to be for a generation, otherwise it can not invest. No investment means the country struggles for both jobs and every citizen’s security.Homer, a “generation” is pretty much universally understood to be the number of years it takes for children to be born, grow up, become adults and have children of their own. That’s surely at least 18 years and usually between 20 and 30 years. The last referendum was 2014, the next one should not be until 2032 at the earliest. Those too young to vote in 2014 should have their chance then. I digress.
Any British/UK person (or from any other country) looking to invest in “Britain/UK” can not invest in Scotland when he/she does not know whether it will be British for any length of time.
…And what’s good for one side must also be good for the other. Let’s say the Yes vote were to win a referendum… will that be it?
What if polls then say more than 50% want to return to being British?
If it’s ok to have referendums whenever one side wants one, then surely they could go backwards and forwards between a British/UK Scotland and an Independent Scotland forever???!!!
…And do you think the EU is going to let Scotland in and out of their club every time the Scots decide on change?
The EU – just like the UK – will quite rightly need to know whether it is investing in a country that’s committing itself to stay for a reasonable amount of time. No doubt the SNP has no trouble in securing itself to the EU and to receive its money for a generation.
Value Is Everything“Rugby Union nearly follows suit but no NI with the Ireland team representing ‘the island of Ireland’”
And Down Royal and Downpatrick racecourses, both in the UK, are administered by the Irish Turf Club and use the Irish Tote.
Kev,
Scotland should not stay with the UK just because England wants it to; but also because Scotland wants to… As was proven in the 2014 Referendum.
What does English people not being able to pinpoint Aberdean on a map prove?
Value Is Everything“Rugby Union nearly follows suit but no NI with the Ireland team representing ‘the island of Ireland’”
And Down Royal and Downpatrick racecourses, both in the UK, are administered by the Irish Turf Club and use the Irish Tote.
Which makes perfect logical and geographic sense
Cheered on the Scots today! Beating France.
Well done Wales, Six Nations Champions.
Value Is EverythingNow my objections to the EU now would be 80% economic, yes there were other issues but they were minor compared to the economics.
Go on, tell us about these economic benefits of leaving. When you can’t come up with any it might give you an idea as to why Scots might wish to quit the UK and join the EU.
Apologies if this has already been said as I’ve only just come across this thread.
The SNP say they want an independent Scotland and complain about Westminster having too much power.
Now here’s the thing that I just can’t wrap my head around …….
…if Westminster has too much power……why does Sturgeon want to join the EU and and be subjected to ‘ever greater integration’?
The EU is three things …… low growth,high unemployment and protectionist.
The EU consists of a ever decreasing amount of trade with the UK where as the rest of the world is growing much faster,although the current situation has put a temporary block on growth,and our trade with them is growing too.
I have no problem with open & free trade with the EU but object to being integrated into a ‘superstate’ that’s run by unelected bureaucrats from Brussels with anything and everything done by our Parliament possibly being overruled or deemed unacceptable to the EU.
Brussels and the EU are showing their true colours as witnessed by the chaos erupting across the continent.With elections looming for some in Europe they are currently looking to divert attention….such as Macron who faces riots in the streets of Paris,the demo’s,although we have them too but not on the same scale,in many countries and politicians for their own end scaremongering about vaccines which seems to be having devastating effects on take up and thus a worsening situation as regard bringing the pandemic under control.
I just believe Scotland should think long and hard and ask themselves if they wish to be part of this chaos?
good luck to allCheered on the Scots today! Beating France.
Well done Wales, Six Nations Champions. Thanks to both teams for providing jolly good entertainment would be my in-depth analysis of the game
Infact, it’s been a very good tournament; surprising to many perhaps who thought the lack of crowds and a claustrophobic six weeks or so confined in a male-bonding bubble would dampen the players resolve and enthusiasm
Thanks to both teams for providing jolly good entertainment would be my in-depth analysis of the game
It’s been a good tournament this year, with some cracking games and, by and large, I think the best teams won most of the games.
Not quite sure why France didn’t kick out to win the game last night but well done to Scotland who were the better team on the night.
Well done to Wales also, it probably helped they played a lot against 14 men but that’s the rub of the green and they took advantage of it, so all credit to them. Two fortunate tries against England but even if you take those out they still won that game.
England were appalling with only one good game, against France, and even against Italy I think the score flattered them.
France have improved immensely and I still think they will be ones to watch in their World Cup in 2023.
As for Ireland, they were really disappointing playing hot and cold, a malaise which can be traced back to the Nations Cup – a good win against England though.
As for Italy – well they need to sling their hook as the only thing they bring to the table is a jaunt to Rome for each of the other teams every two years.
Would love to see Japan join the tournament instead, although it would bring some logistical issues but I’d be more than happy for the odd trip to Tokyo to watch a game.
If not Japan then let Georgia have a shot.
Another solution is whichever team finishes bottom of the Six Nations plays off against the winners of the Rugby Europe Championship, in which Georgia are well clear so far this season. If that happens to be one of the so called “big” teams one year then so be it.
If Scotland want to leave the UK it should be their decision; haven’t seen too many post-colonial countries begging to be let back in. The Empire is gone, and won’t be coming back, no matter how much Brexiteers desire it.
Come on now! How many Brexit supporters seriously believe the Empire is going to come back? Maybe a few nut cases but they are a minority.
The former colonies clearly do not want to return to that status but most are still very happy to be part of the Commonwealth. They could leave it if they wanted.
On the basis that countries such as Cameroon and Mozambique (historically French and Portuguese ‘influence’ respectively) have joined the Commonwealth in recent times then the suggestion is that it must be doing something right as an organisation.
It was also the “British Empire”, befair. Not the English Empire.
The Empire had just as much to do with Scotland as it did England.Value Is EverythingYes, “if Scotland want to leave the UK it should be their decision“, befair. Scotland voted not to leave the UK.
Value Is Everything
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