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Already said I considered Scotland and Northern Ireland when (wrongly) voting Remain, befair. Also Wales, Yorkshire, Northern England, East, South West, South East and even London. I was also concerned for many people’s work, especially the car industry and farmers.
Did you consider what’s best for all regions / people of the UK before voting befair? Or did you vote purely on what’s best for your part of Northern Ireland?
Value Is EverythingThe reasons for people voting Leave – voting for Brexit – have imo been misinterpreted. Very very few were for any jingoistic / nationalistic reason.
Value Is EverythingOh and Sungold,
It is a bit much complaining about the Conservative leader using a few unelected Lords and Ladies; when Scotland wants to keep with the EU. Where NO citizen votes for the PRESIDENT of the EU. Someone with that much power unelected by the citizens of the EU!Value Is EverythingYou would say that, wouldn’t you, just as
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56514501Wowzers. The English as a generalisation see themselves as British. Most Scots see themselves as Scottish, not British. How many UJ flags do you see in Scotland? Very few.
The only thing british about me is my passport status.Scotland is different to the counties of England as you put it (not quoted) as we have a separate government. And separate funding in many parts. We also have our own trade deals. I could go on but I won’t.
Ginge why the random thread about Scottish independence? Seems a strange time and for an Englishman you appear rather riled.
Scotland is important to me Kev. I see the SNP portraying the English as a nation that doesn’t care – and its people generally believing her/them. Yes, I am riled about anglophobia being used. I regard myself as British first, English second. Scotland is for me part of my country. Love Scotland’s people, its accent, its highlands and islands. Why shouldn’t I care?
Don’t want to see Britain torn apart… If Scotland goes it won’t be anything like the same. Instead of first British I’ll be feeling very much first English. Unlikely the rUK will survive without you – we’ll all go our separate ways.
Other than in sport I don’t want to be rivals and you will be our nearest and therefore most dangerous competitor. Right now I don’t care whether Liverpool, Newcastle, Birmingham, Southampton, Belfast, Cardiff or Glasgow gets British/UK investment. But that will have to change and for the English it won’t be through choice. I don’t want to be competing for factories, jobs etc. We’ll have no option but to entice doctors, nurses, professors, teachers and all away from Scotland, because Scotland will be doing the same to us.
Value Is EverythingYes, Scotland does have its own government, Kev. If rUK wants to stick together then we may well be heading for a devolved Federal rUK. England with around 8 different “governments”, just like Scotland has Holyrood.
Scotland does have “separate funding”, it’s called the Barnett Formula.
No Barnett formula in an independent Scotland.Value Is EverythingUnfortunately it’s changing a bit but I’ve long liked the fact that the English have generally been reticient to fly the St George’s Cross and allow St George’s Day to pass largely unnoticed and uncelebrated
That waving ‘our’ flag is generally perceived as being associated with far-right ‘little englanders’ and football fans vandalising European city centres is fine by me and long may it remain to be the case
The plan to drape the Union flag here, there and everywhere is tacky but like Paul, I really couldn’t give a toss: it’s just so bleedin’ trivial
You would say that, wouldn’t you, just as
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56514501An absolutely disgraceful decision – which I vociferously criticised yesterday and have already complained about to the minister concerned and my MP.
Ask 100 random people in England where in a map of the UK Aberdeen or Inverness is I’d bet well over 50 wouldn’t have a clue.
Scotland should remain in the UK because it suits England is basically what you’ve said above. That makes no sense whatsoever from a Scotland standpoint.
One example of how well Scotland is catered for is this crazy investment of HS2. Meanwhile Scotland had to basically fund the Forth Road bridge itself.
But the Barnett Formula is amazing, so amazing for us that England don’t want to see us go
I’m not going to pretend other than this is a can of worms, but it’s a can of worms
that isn’t going away any time soon. Ginge has rightly pointed out many problems
and Paul has been very vocal and although I’m all for everyone saying it like it
is, I’m not a big PC fan, I don’t think calling the First Minister for Scotland
“an Irrelevant leader of a local council which is of no concern or relelance to
95% of the UK” is neither true nor helpful. To state that how Scotland votes is
totally irrelevant and that it is no more relevant than how Yorkshire or wessex
or any other randon area. This I’m afraid is part of the problem, where some see
Scotland as just another area within the UK akin to the likes of Yorksire and
Wessex. Scotland is not a county of the UK, it is a country and deserves to be
viewed as such.Scotland has a right to determine the form of Government which is both fair and
suited to their needs. Changes over time, such as Devolution, demonstrate this
is an ongoing process. For this to work it has to be based on consent. I don’t
mean we have to agree with every decision of Holyrood or Westminster, but if
as a nation the people of Scotland (not Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP) indicate
the desire to be independent in sufficient numbers they should be allowed to
at least ask the question. That old potato about the once in a lifetime generation
won’t wash. Something the size of removing Scotland from the European Union,
having prior to the vote stressed that the only safe way to stay in the European
Union was to vote no. Whatever you may think about the European Union, the vote
on remaining/leaving the EU clearly showed it is important to Scottish People with
62% voting to remain.I’m not making a case for Scottish Independence, I’m making a case for the
people of Scotland being allowed to vote on whether they remain part of the
Union (UK) or become an independent country. If there is no appetite for
independence then the matter will be resolved. You might say “until the
next time” and whilst the SNP clearly wish independence there would not
be the appetite for it and it would hurt the SNP to bring it up again and
Nicola Sturgeon is aware of this. She may want independence, but she also
wants her party to stay in power.This will never go away until it is resolved. The polls at the moment, 56%
for independence in February 2021 and 53% in March 2021, will in my opinion
only grow for independence the more that Westminster put their foot down to
deny a referendum.Following the 2014 independence referendum, The Smith Commission took place
in the context of all participants accepting the outcome of the referendum but
also concluded “It is agreed that nothing in this report prevents Scotland
becoming an independent country in the future should the people of Scotland
so choose”.To me it comes down to one simple question. Should a nation be allowed to
determine their own destiny. If Scotland doesn’t want independence, it wont
happen, but if they do, should they be deprived of this right?Yes it’s a once in a generation vote. Thing is the vote was in the last generation and we are now in a new one. The new generation started for those born in 1997 and therefore no new generation voters would have been able to vote in the last referendum. Let them have their vote.
Going off at a tangent somewhat but does anyone know why England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are permitted to field their own teams in International Football competitions whereas say, Catalonia and Bavaria aren’t
Rugby Union nearly follows suit but no NI with the Ireland team representing ‘the island of Ireland’
In the Olympics we’re represented by a Great Britain & Northern Ireland squad, termed Team GB, which should surely be correctly termed Team UK
It’s all rather strange
It’s absolutely ridiculous Drone and just exacerbates the ridiculous nationalist agendas
Catalonia do have their own team. I believe due to them not having their own association they’re not recognised as a fully international outfit hence not being in the Euros etc. International football started off with the UK countries playing against one another.
GB were registered with the IOC and this has never needed to be changed, hence Andy Murray playing for GB instead of his favoured Scotland for example.
I don’t see anything wrong with being patriotic and/or waving your flag, as long as it is done in terms of friendly rivalry – not jingoistic.
Value Is EverythingSalmond has launched a new Party – Alba
I think the UK Parliament should respond by resurrecting Albion as the new old name for Great Britain
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