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    Avatar photoHimself
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    However, whenever Kauto Star proves that he can give the likes of Denman or Neptune Collonges over a stone and still beat them

    Looked as though he could have given the pair a stone on Friday, H.

    Doubt it – when Denman is fully fit there won’t be much between them next year — as Paul Nicholls conceded after the race.

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    Himself –

    Reason I ask is that Flyingbolt as a contemporary of Arkle, and rated within a couple of pounds – bears obvious similarities with Denman and Kauto.
    Yet you say Kauto would have to give Denman and NC (though Exotic Dancer may be a better yardstick) ‘over a stone’ to be regarded as a great. Which he appeared to do on Friday, doing cartwheels.

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    Doubt it – when Denman is fully fit there won’t be much between them next year — as Paul Nicholls conceded after the race.

    Why are you tying Denman in with Neptune then, who is a patently inferior animal?

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    Doubt it – when Denman is fully fit there won’t be much between them next year — as Paul Nicholls conceded after the race.

    Why are you tying Denman in with Neptune then, who is a patently inferior animal?

    Because NC is the third best 3m chaser around, in my opinion. Monksfield, I have already explained that Arkle gave 16lbs and to Mill House and slammed him. Could Kauto, in your opinion, concede that amount ( or even less ) to Denman ?

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    If both were fighting fit, Gold Cup trip at Cheltenham, on G/S or better, then YES.
    Stickier ground and Kauto’s in trouble, but it’d still be close.
    He has class and guts in abundance.

    Sub 3-miles on any other course Kauto wins hands down, on any going.

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    I am not so sure on Kauto giving weight to horses. He could do it but I would love to see him running in a Hennessy with top weight. Its one of the things missing from his ‘CV’ for me. The other greats proved they could do it.

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    Why the obsession with NH Grade 1 horses running in handicaps? Should Rock of Gibralter have taken the Cambridgeshire in? Yeats really needs to run in the Ces? Dayjur the Wokie?

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    For hype, that never materialised into the wonder horse that was promised, Celtic Swing was up there. A very smart horse but not able to walk on water as had been promised.

    Red Glow would be top of my list though. It always makes me smile when i think of him going off favourite for the Derby with the shakiest of credentials. The bookmakers must have been wetting themselves laughing.

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