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- October 16, 2024 at 23:56 #1710013
A week out honours are even!
O’Brien and Son 22 Entries
The Rest 22 EntriesWho will run? Who will win?
October 20, 2024 at 11:01 #1710420Not too many of the 44 expected to turn up on Town Moor judging by the latest betting!
(Bump)
October 21, 2024 at 22:27 #1710561I’ll risk Apples and Bananas at 33’s. Fairly certain I’ve never had a bet in this before, but this is a horse I like
Apples and Bananas 33’s
October 23, 2024 at 11:47 #1710611Well I’m already a loser with Naval Command who ran a promising race at Kempton
but was pulled out of what would have been his prep race for the Futurty. They decided
not to risk him, whatever his problem is.I was going to leave the race alone and saw Anno Domini was there at 12s. I dithered about
saw he was 10 then 8s. I thought I’ve got to get in here, Some of the unknown bookies (to
me anyway) were still offering 10s but when I read the reviews, it was basically punters
asking for their money back. I took the 8s with Paddy Power, but found there was a boost
so I got 9s. I didn’t feel so theh.Anno Domini has won both his races in good style and I think with the two runs under his
belt he will come om and could be a very good horse. Even at 8/1 he’s a good betAnno Domini 9/1 Paddy Power.
October 23, 2024 at 15:48 #1710630Anno Domini for me too BigG at 8-1
October 25, 2024 at 23:10 #1710748Don’t see why Wimbledon should be so short compared to Hotazhell. The latter was ahead of Scorthy Champ two starts back over 7f, improved for a mile and I think will prefer softer conditions. I respect the current fav but I didn’t rate that latest win much and he had previously been well held behind Ancient Truth/Seagulls Eleven.
Taken 9/1October 25, 2024 at 23:52 #1710755It’s the comparative difference between the Royal Lodge and the Beresford form I imagine
October 26, 2024 at 10:20 #1710775This years form for both races doesn’t tell us anything really. The 2nd in the Royal lodge was previously 3rd in a group 3. Not saying the Beresford form has much going for it at the moment either but anyway WH drifting a little this morning which makes sense to me.
October 26, 2024 at 12:09 #1710803Seaplane 8s
Was going to bet last night, but delayed; was 12s yday eve.October 26, 2024 at 12:29 #1710813I’ve joined Chivers on Hotazhell, and also Detain, both ew.
October 26, 2024 at 13:24 #1710826Wimbledon Hawkeye to ace it!
His case. At 3/1 Hawkeye is a value bet. He’s done the hard yards for this target – 7f races in Summer and Group 1 over a mile in October in a good time. His dad won the race in 2019 in Newcastle so he has the pedigree.
To my untutored eye he looks a spare individual all heart and muscle with a gangly looking running style – like a greyhound in fact! Will he go on the soft ground? As likely as not he may. Perhaps the soft ground will help him organise his legs better and he wont be rushed off his feet early on like in some of his races – so more to offer possibly at finish.
Wimbledon Hawkeye 3/1
Swing low sweet Hawkeye!
October 26, 2024 at 14:26 #1710833Detain 9/1 (could be very special indeed) win and a small saver on Hotazhell 11/1.
October 26, 2024 at 14:39 #1710838Normally Irish form is strong, but the Beresford this year doesn’t look a strong Irish Group 2. Whereas this year’s Royal Lodge looks a good British Group 2. I can understand why there’s a big difference between Wimbledon and Hotazhell. In fact am surprised the gap isn’t more.
WH was only beaten 1 3/4 lengths by one of (if not the) best 2 year old colts, The Lion In Winter in the Acomb… And that came at 7f. WH should do better @ a mile. Royal Lodge second Royal Playwright is very well bred and progressive. The third Angelo B’ is very well thought of and had won the most valuable maiden last time out. Fourth Puppet Master had beaten Tennessee Stud on his previous start who finished second in the Beresford. The Beresford third Windlord amazingly started joint fav with Hotazhell, had only won a Class 2 and previously beaten by Anno Dominni. Beresford fourth Trinity Coledge was only beaten a total of 1 3/4 lengths and yet has been beaten in a Group 3 since.
So although Hotazhell had some good form with Henri Mattisse and Scorthy Champ on his previous start, I doubt he didn’t need to improve much if anything to win the Beresford.
Ground though could be a key today.
Value Is EverythingOctober 26, 2024 at 14:44 #1710839Hotazhell too hot. Well done Chivers and Green’.
Value Is EverythingOctober 26, 2024 at 14:44 #1710840Well done, Chivers, Spot on!
Hawkeye didn’t handle deep ground.October 26, 2024 at 14:49 #1710842Thanks, overall I don’t think this race is going to mean a whole lot but could be wrong.
October 26, 2024 at 15:02 #1710846Well done to the winners.
For this race the hold up horses might have well have just stayed at home – the first two were in the first three from the start and you have to give a little bit of credit to Wimbledon Hawkeye for getting 3rd from a disadvantageous position (he also wasted a fair bit of energy in pulling early on).
Not sure you can take this race strictly at face value and wouldn’t be sure on better ground that the form would be confirmed if they were all to meet again – by and large good horses win this and go on to make their mark as 3 yr olds but it can also throw up form that you couldn’t wholly trust them to go on from and this renewal could well fall into that category.
Time will tell that those in behind that didn’t show up today might likely turn out to be the better horses next season.
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