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Hello H90, welcome to the forum….. yes, this is primarily a horse racing forum but in our case I think its acceptable because its a System and this is The System Workshop and to be fair, we also cover a lot of ground with staking methods, so there’s a lot of stuff here that will help a lot of members…… the defence rests its case……. hehehe…..  I’ll answer your questions when I’ve finished looking at the GG’s…..<br>:biggrin: :biggrin:
MrE
Welcome harold90. :wave:
We welcome all sorts of "betting and staking" ideas in the systems section.
The advantage with the "roulette" is the outcome is not affected by jockeys, trainers, weather, etc., coming into the factor.
Regards – Matron<br>:cool:
H90… your a bit off the mark with that effort on the Roulette. When I talk about outside Dozens, they are 1 – 12 and 25 – 36……. Dozens are those three groups of numbers, the middle Dozen are the ones that I’ve left out ( 13 – 24), any of those groups pays 2/1. Its the same using HALF the table at evens, the Half is 1 – 18 or 19 – 36. The reason I stick to this is that those blocks of numbers are on a defined part of the table, there is a clear demarcation line, the counter can land on the top or the bottom of the table, no ifs or buts, but by betting colours or odds and evens, although the payout is the same, the whole lot is staggered throughout the table, that sorta even money bets are hard work and I wouldn’t recommend going along that path. I dunno whether it was Bin Tosleep that mentioned the Columns, that does look a fair enough bet, though I’ve never tried it…… I hope that I’ve cleared up that little misunderstanding and if your going to have a go, start on the easier stuff first, it’s a bit risky going for the 5/1 RD’s if your still a bit green. There’s money to be made by taking a lot less risks and you can spread your wings as you gain experience……… any more queries you lot.<br>:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
MrE
Yes, I’ve got some questions ..
Do frogs sleep? <br>Why do men have nipples? <br>Is there a good loss retrieval method of staking? <br>Why don’t spiders stick to their own webs?
:confused: ;)
Quote: from Urban Dave on 2:03 pm on Mar. 4, 2004[br]Yes, I’ve got some questions ..
Do frogs sleep?….. dunno, but did you know that frog spelt backwards is Gorf….. <br>Why do men have nipples?….. cos the ones from Norfolk are mostly tits…. <br>Is there a good loss retrieval method of staking?…. you already know the answer to this, its YES, particularily if it one that I’ve promoted….. <br>Why don’t spiders stick to their own webs?….. this is because they’ve got Web feet…… hahahaha….. thats funny….. yes it is….. oh yes it is……
:confused: ;)
Sheeesh, your a strange fellow Urb, Matron’s got just the stuff to calm you down a bit…. Anusol…..
MrE
hello all<br>i would like some advice on staking (roulette) i have started betting on the dozens i.e. wating till a certain dozen has come up three times, then betting on the other two. i am sure theres a suitable staking plan for this. any advice appreciated.<br> harold
Hi Snowball, good to see your still around…..
H90….. No staking plan for that one, far too risky at 1/2. If you attempted to get your money back on the following spins, the progression is fearsome, you might feel comfortable betting on one more spin at a stake of 2pts per Dozen, but if that one loses also, your third spin would cost you 12 points….. nah, don’t bother, accept your loss of 2pts on the first round, anything else would be akin to chasing losses, and thats a definite NO…..<br>It strikes me H, that your going in way too early, your taking a chance on something you have had no experience with, the wheel will spit you out in little peices mate. I aint being rude at all, just trying to help you. The way your approaching that whole bet is wrong because your not supposed to be betting ANY Dozens, only preset ones and once you’ve won 1pt, you get off. It isn’t any good staying on and trying to win more, its a case of Wham, Bam, thank you Ma’am……. take a look at your PM a little later today, I’ll try and explain it better…….<br>:biggrin: :biggrin:
MrE
"Wham, bam, thank you m’am" – better send you:o  some more Viagra MrE.:o :o
I would heed MrE’s advice – I have only been playing for the last 6 weeks and the numbers will roll your way at first. Like, the horses, you will get a hard kick to bring you back down to reality sooner or later. Sometimes the "numbers" will not roll in your favour and if you start increasing your stakes to chase losses it will end up in tears vey quickly.
Keep to level stakes and heed the great "guru" of TRF – MrE – we have the original version on here.
Regards – Matron<br>:cool:
(Edited by Matron at 11:46 am on Mar. 5, 2004)
snowman,
You are a man after my own heart. I picked up this thread and you have said, almost verbatim, what I would have said to MrE.
MrE,
Listen closely to snowman: he has wisdom.
Artemis…… well say it again mate, cos I haven’t gotta clue as to what your on about. As far as I can tell, The Snowflake and me are in agreement over most things, the only thing we disagree over is a personal approach on at what point to start betting. I have proven over two years of playing, that a starting point or a "Trigger", suits me and the way I play, its a personal thing and it matters not whether Snowy likes it or not cos he has his own methods. The consensus of opinion is that it is far easier to win money betting short on Roulette than it is doing the same on the horses…… I am at a loss as to what your trying to put over….. I, like the Snow, am trying to guide the members along a path that many think is a waste of time, I have proven time and time again that it aint a waste, now I value all the help I can muster on this thread cos the members that are willing to give it a go will need all the help they can get to start, so if you’ve got any knowledge of Roulette please post it cos there only seems to be me ‘n Snowball…..<br>:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
MrE
hi<br> well Mr.E you say that theres just you & the snowman who are the only ones with the knowledge(roulette) who are posting. well maybe thats all us learners need.<br>so please both of you keep posting. and try yo help us on the right path. waiting to hear more.<br> harold
H90…. Snowy and me aint the only ones to play Roulette successfully, I think Artemis might too, the thing is to try and coax Artemis and the others into imparting their knowledge too….. every little helps…. I consider myself a good player, and I’ve learnt a thing or two from Snowy and the other was Bin Dun4speedin, I think, there’s always summat to learn but not enough hours in the day to try ’em out….. hehehehe…….<br>:biggrin: :biggrin:
MrE
MR E<br>The point I was making is that I never play roulette or any other games that are pure chance, although I do admit to buying the odd lottery ticket. There are certainly games in the casino such as blackjack where some skill can be exercised, but roulette – forget it as far as systematic or informed betting is concerned. I agree that it may represent better value than most other forms of gambling, but your chances of winning decrease the longer you play. My simple advice on roulette is to have one maximum bet every time you visit the casino on red/black or odd/even, then walk away – win or lose. It’s the best value you can get.<br>Granted, not much fun or entertainment but the best possible value.
Good post Artemis, glad you came back….. but you are oh so wrong. You are now flying in the face of your mentor Snowman, you say that the longer you stay on the table, the more your chance diminishes, yet Snowy says that every spin is exactly the same that diminishing chances are not in the equation. In this instance I agree with Snowman, just as I do with most things. The Snowball and I only disagree over a particular starting point, thats all (I think), we both agree that there is a 2.7% chance in favour of the house on every spin, we also agree that we make money at it, so, with the greatest of respect mate, I don’t think your argument holds water at all. In your posting it sounds like you haven’t played the game much, and yet pass negative comments onto members who are looking at it seriously as against throwing money down the drain on betting the nags…… I can talk at great length about this cos I am experienced at it, but what never fails to amaze me is the punter that is not open minded enough to see through the possibilities….. I’ve just had a quick read through that and it looks like I’m having a dig at you, I aint mate, its just the way it comes over. I, along with a few others judging by the responses, are only too pleased to have an open debate and lets put the world to rights…. so if it sounds like I’m being personal, ignore it, I just can’t keep going back over what I’ve written for the sake of political correctness…..<br>The final point to all this is that you guys think that you can beat the house at Blackjack because its skillfull, why, because there are those that have experience at it and there are many "card counters" out there. Do you think for one minute that there is not the equivalent skills by the pro’s at Roulette……. man, you guys are walking around with your eyes wide shut….. when I’ve got a bit more time, perhaps, just perhaps, I might enlighten you somewhat, but believe me guys, this Online stuff is a different ball game entirely when put against the Landbased casino’s of yesterday…….<br>C’mon you lot, take your potshots at the man you love to hate…… MrE’s your Aunt Sally…… hahahaha……<br>:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
MrE
Mr E<br>My point restated concerns any lomg run position on any game of pure chance.<br>I totally agree that the chances on the first spin are the same as the chances after any number of spins. However, the longer you play, the more likely it becomes that the percentage working against you will take effect.<br>At one extreme(one evens bet on red or black), the odds on you winning are 19/18 against i.e. you are trying to beat the bank’s percentage of 2.7%. It is easy to see how you can walk away winning.<br>At the other extreme, suppose you could play non-stop for a month, the wheel spinning tens of thousands of times with you betting evens on each spin. The only certainy in the second scenario is that you would lose, and your loss would be very very close(+ or – 0.0001 %) of your stakes. This is a statistical fact upon which casinos have prospered. The same logic can be applied to all games of chance and to many other situations such as insurance. Business empires have been founded upon this ‘law of large numbers’. You seem to infer that there exists some knowlege which runs contrary to these statistical laws. Are you asking us to believe in some unscientific wizardry?
Or, are you perhaps suggesting that a wheel cannot be perfect and has some inherent bias which can be detected through observations? The only advantage for the casino might be a wheel that was biased towards the zero to crank up the house’s percentage. As far as I know, the wheels are tested regularly by gaming inspectors to check for bias using the statistical laws mentioned earlier. I suppose these inspectors are bribeable, so maybe……………..
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