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    CheltenhamSpecialistCheltenhamSpecialist
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    It looks to me as if we are very likely to see this year’s Cheltenham Gold Cup in this race, we’ll certainly know more on Sunday than we’ll find out at Newbury on Saturday.

    All three on my short list for the main event are likely to run here, Quito De La Roque, Magnanimity and Quel Esprit then there are others that can’t be dismissed out of hand, Bostons Angel, Jessies Dream, Diamond Harry, on a course more likely to suit him, and even the mare, Blazing Tempo.
    It’s unlikely, but not impossible, to forsee China Rock pull off a surprise, while the English pair can’t be left out with total confidence although really I can’t see Synchronised repeat his shock Lexus win.

    While I (fairly confidently) expect the first three above to fill the first three places but I’m not as sure I can predict the finishing order. Whoever does win on sunday will probably carry my cash at Cheltenham and will hopefully go on to complete the double

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    darren83
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    QUITO DE LA ROQUE i like here i think he put in a much better performance than last time.

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    hurricaneflyhurricanefly
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    I have a sneaking suspicion for BOSTONS ANGEL here, having seen how well Oscars Well ran behind Hurricane Fly at Leopardstown, when the conditions most definatley didn’t suit gives me some confidence that Jessica has her top horses oeaking just at the right time and a good run here could lead to better things at Cheltenham, 10-1 is a huge price I think

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    ZarkavaZarkava
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    I think this race will be as informative to the Gold Cup trail as the 3.50 at Folkestone.

    #390119
    Eclipse First
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    Would the 3.50 be during the summer on the flat or a chase in the depths of winter?

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    ZarkavaZarkava
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    Either or.

    #390151
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    It looks to me as if we are very likely to see this year’s Cheltenham Gold Cup in this race, we’ll certainly know more on Sunday than we’ll find out at Newbury on Saturday.

    All three on my short list for the main event are likely to run here, Quito De La Roque, Magnanimity and Quel Esprit then there are others that can’t be dismissed out of hand, Bostons Angel, Jessies Dream, Diamond Harry, on a course more likely to suit him, and even the mare, Blazing Tempo.
    It’s unlikely, but not impossible, to forsee China Rock pull off a surprise, while the English pair can’t be left out with total confidence although really I can’t see Synchronised repeat his shock Lexus win.

    While I (fairly confidently) expect the first three above to fill the first three places but I’m not as sure I can predict the finishing order. Whoever does win on sunday will probably carry my cash at Cheltenham and will hopefully go on to complete the double

    Not sure if you’re trying to be deliberately clever or you enjoy running in the wind naked? Very confused.

    Quito De La Roque isn’t up to a standard gold cup. He’s slow, very slow, so slow i think it’s more likely Craig Pickering wins the 100M Olympic race than him winning a Gold Cup. His win this year has little form substance, considering he was ridiculous outpaced in shocking conditions before a 2 Miler and a horse who had been off the track for a year fell in a ridiculous heap after the 2nd last. He’ll get blitzed on fast ground at Cheltenham. Blitzed.

    Magnamity hasn’t shown the class. Beaten by Boston’s angel twice and disappointed in the Lexus. Again, i see no reason to believe he’d ever be good enough for a Gold Cup.

    Quel Esprit i actually have little opinion on currently, though hacking around against moderate opposition is a far cry from winning a Gold Cup. Of th 3 suggested he’s clearly got the most class, but there are so many questionmarks i couldn’t contemplate thinking a Gold Cup victory is likely.

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    thehorsesmouththehorsesmouth
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    I do think Quel Esprit has a touch of class about him but then I think of the novice chase at Punchestown, where he failed to complete and Quito won. I don’t think he would have got near Quito that day, who travelled well and powered clear in the straight. If Davy had sent him on earlier he’d have won by further. Quito’s been below par this season in my opinion, although many obviously disagree and take the view that that’s as good as he is. First time out he was horrendously unfit imo, while last time he found zilch of the bridle – I think even his biggest knockers can agree that that’s not the Quito way. I really hope he can rediscover the form he was in last spring, when I feel he would have hacked up in the RSA had they sent him over.

    Looking forward to seeing Jessies Dream back on the track too, really like the horse.

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    The obvious solid form-line for this race is the Lexus, which Synchronised won easily. Quito may not have run up to form, but he has everything to prove; as I said in another thread, last years novices have been disappointing. Quel Esprit hasn’t beaten anything with serious form, so I can’t see how he’s favourite, apart form the Walsh/Mullins factor.
    Give a dog a bad name, and Synchronised’s reputation as dour stayer means that he is a tasty 3-1

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    Sea PigeonSea Pigeon
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    This is a grade 1 chase in name only, the participants are no more than handicappers. Cheltenham Specialist believes the winner will go on and win the Cheltenham Gold Cup, all I can say about that is that we’d need an incident similar to Foinavon’s Grand National for that to happen.

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    Well it looks like all eyes will shift to the Hennessy on Sunday with the prospect of no racing on Saturday (Nass and the dreaded all weather accepted)

    There is plenty to like about this race.

    I do like the look of Quel Esprit, I know he did not beat much in his last two bloodless wins, but he did it so well that I think he could be a very good horse. If he does win this well, the 25-1 in the Gold Cup will disappear like snow off a dyke.

    Hi J17star, I know its more of a hunch, but I wouldn’t write off Magnanimity just yet. True he was beaten twice by Bostons Angel, but first time there was only a head between them and at Cheltenham, in the RSA, he had a couple of really bad blunders mid race, and after losing his place, he was right there at the death. Albeit 4th, there was only a length covering the first four, with Time for Rupert 5 lengths further back in 5th.

    The Lexus was a big disappointment, but the way he finished suggested to me that he needed the race after 9 months off. Of course I could be wrong and maybe he is just as good as he showed that day, but I’m for giving him a second chance. Not a lot of interest at 20-1 in the Lexus, I think the market might indicate if he is fitter for the Hennessy.

    If you could hardly put a cigarette paper between Magnanimity and Bostons Angel on their two runs, I don’t see why BA is 7-1 whilst Magnanimity is 18-1. I’ll be having a bit of that e/w.

    Again, BA is as low as 25-1 for the Gold Cup, whilst Magnanimiy is 100-1, I don’t see the huge disparity between them. Admittedly Magnanimity would have to run a corker to even think about the Gold Cup, but if he does win or runs well, that looks an awful big price. I’m certainly not saying he would win the Gold Cup, in fact I am saying he certainly wont, but there could be worse e/w punts if there is any mayhem in the race or the big guns just don’t fire.

    I know there are so many ifs and buts, but then I did have my crowning glory moment in 1990 with Norton’s Coin. He did win it at 100-1, and you will have to take my word for this, I got him at 200-1 on the morning of the race with Ladbrokes (the only bookies going 200-1 as far as I can remember) Think I was drunk for a week.

    I don’t think you get two chances in a lifetime to find somthing like that, so I probably should steer well away……but you can always dream.

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    JJMSportsJJMSports
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    Hope Quito De La Roque can put in a good account en route to the Gold Cup at Cheltenham.

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    CheltenhamSpecialistCheltenhamSpecialist
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    This is a grade 1 chase in name only, the participants are no more than handicappers. Cheltenham Specialist believes the winner will go on and win the Cheltenham Gold Cup, all I can say about that is that we’d need an incident similar to Foinavon’s Grand National for that to happen.

    Sea Pigeon, that’s a statement than only an Englishman could make.

    Secondly, I’m being misquoted. What I said was I make Sunday’s race between Quito De La Roique, Magnanimity and Quel Esprit, after re-running the races again I’d say I fancy them to finish in that order and if any of the three wins on Sunday I will most likely back them in The Gold Cup. I also feel Grand Crus must have a chance in the Cheltenham race and, as I’m 100% confident there will be a new name on The Gold Cup this year, and probably next year, I’m looking outwith the first two in the betting and I’ve not said anywhere that "Magnaimity will win The Gold Cup". I’ve said all season that the Gold Cup looks to be between Royal De La Thinte (Non Runner) and Quito De La Roque, who is still my No1 fancy

    Back to Magnanimity, BigG and Euro both make valid points, it’s no good just slating this (excellent) race, or the 2011 RSA or the 2010 RSA as being poor grade, the 2011 Gold Cup was hardly a classic either. We weve spoilt by the likes of Kicking King, Denman and Kauto in their prime, not forgetting the much maligned Best Mate, right now we have to make the most of the horses we’ve got at least until next year when I feel we’ll see several superior horses contest the race.

    I digress, on last years form there’s hardly a fag paper between Bosons Angel, Jessies Dream or Magnanimity with Quel Esprit just behind these three across the season. This isn’t reflected in the betting in either The Hennessey (25/1) or Gold Cup (100/1) with Magnanimity a ludicrous price in relationship to Quel Esprit at least (5/2 or 20/1) , just watch the re-run of last years P J Moriarty and if anyone thinks Quel Esprit was going to have finished any better than 3rd had he stood up, knows diddely squat about racing. Watch the race again then consider their respective odds.

    Bottom line, MrsCS had £25 ew on Magnanimity @ 100/1 for The Gold Cup OK last night, a sporting bet on long shot that might look very decent on Sunday evening but even if he flops on Sunday that fact remains that she’d be no worse of on the 16th of March than she would be if she’d put the £50 to win on Long Run, at least this way she stands to win a considerable sum of money if Magnanimity was to regain the form he showed last season

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    ZarkavaZarkava
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    at least this way she stands to win a considerable sum of money if Magnanimity was to regain the form he showed last season

    And improve 2 stone.

    #390218
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    Just hoping Quito shows a bit more early dash. No 20 length out paced please.

    Although I have stated I don’t agree that Magnanimity is a decent bet i understand fully where CS is coming on the price. Simply put the others from the RSA have done very little, Bostons imo hasn’t progressed and the use of headgear just heightens that for me.

    Whereas Mag has only one run since and that can’t be true form. However another chief concern is he injured himself in the rsa and that run was dire last time. My concern is the injury might have done more damage to his racing capabilities.

    Basically if synchronised wins this aswell I’ll be concerned about all of them in the GC.

    Synchronised is last years Kempes!!!

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