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Get a pen & some notepaper because this is important:
Racing ten years from now will be pretty much EXACTLY the same as it is now.
For all this RFC stuff, we’re living in dreamland if we think any different.
So what makes you say that? I know alot of what RFC is doing is a load of garbage (media training for jockeys?) but surely the sport will undergo some sort of transition, what with the evolution of exchanges etc?
Thanks for the reply
Check on Page 2. There is a huge R4C thread on there. Its not popular around these parts and some of us are like a little Ozark Mountain Daredevil Revolutionary Group trying to stop Mr Street and his modernising friends from wrecking the sport.
So far, the Northern racing gang at the centre of R4C would like to:
a) Have ALL decent horse racing on from Friday to Sunday eliminating three hundred years of midweek festivals. For example, Street hopes to have the Gold Cup running on a Saturday by 2012/2013 thus downgrading the importance of a decent race called the Uttoxeter Grand National. Conflicts like this will be common under the new plan.
b) Truncate the flat racing season from May to October instead of its March to November run now. Downgrading the Lincoln and November Handicap.
c) Increase funding for "Premier" meetings at the expense of other racing.
Problem is, nothing may change so your question is difficult to answer. Or it all may change.
The exchanges? Pity we can’t put the lid back on Pandora’s Box because they’ve certainly changed the landscape of the betting market. For the worse, in my view. The market is now THE biggest predictor of the outcome of horse races because of the ability for connections to anonymously place massive sums of money on horses. I’ll leave others to speculate on the impact of unlicenced lay betting, but I have my own strong opinions.
Exchanges? Good for racing? Only in the sense of specialist logging helicopters being an efficient way of cutting down virgin forests.
Ten years from now It will be stuck in the dark ages like it is now.Its like golf was 20 years ago and always will be in this country while the same people run it.
So what makes you say that? I know alot of what RFC is doing is a load of garbage (media training for jockeys?) but surely the sport will undergo some sort of transition, what with the evolution of exchanges etc?
Thanks for the reply
I’m quite drunk right now but I’ll post a full reply tomorrow. Homest!
Wish I could work something racing related into my degree, would be able to cover my tracks with the time and money spent on it . .
HI ok,
where do I start. The marketing is ****. The form is ****.They moan no-one goes racing. All they need to do in this country is, turn the race track into a big pub, and it will be filled but know one seems to know that.Cracks me up.The only dog racing tracks that did or do well!! are you guess what? "big pubs" They need more jackpot systems to bring people back.Let people get in for free.Make sure some of the gambling money goes back to the tracks instead of the greedy bookmakers.Will Hill are good for all sports,other then them,money grabbing bastards.
The form.He has ,four more pounds on his back, so must lose.What a load of bollox!!!. we need sectional timing like the u.s. We wont get it though .Having said that I get good prices because the form is so bad.
The racing in this country isn’t cricket because is too much like cricket.OLD FARTS…..
So what makes you say that? I know alot of what RFC is doing is a load of garbage (media training for jockeys?) but surely the sport will undergo some sort of transition, what with the evolution of exchanges etc?
Thanks for the reply
by the way why is media training for jockeys so bad? If you know a jockey then you will want him to do well – wouldn’t you? I would say media training was the only good thing they do.
Placemat, you can rant all you like, but a rant is just a rant without it being underpinned by some reality. Take your assertion here:
The racing in this country isn’t cricket because is too much like cricket.OLD FARTS…..
In the past three years, cricket has been utterly revolutionised by 20/20. Arguably, it has been saved from a slow death.
20/20 was recommended by a group of consultants employed by the, er, Old Farts who immediately implemented the recommendation. The rate of innovation since has been, quite frankly, frightening. And its worked.
Before 20/20, Trent Bridge resembled Tombstone Gulch, with the wind coming in from the Urals, cactus brush blowing across the wicket and the odd obsessive with a Wisden scattered around the cavernous stands.
After 20/20, you’ll be lucky to get a ticket. Pure innovation. You might not like it – I absolutely detest it and wouldn’t be seen dead watching 20/20 – but everyone else loves it. Its cheap, colourful, exciting, minimum effort and you get to wear your big foam fingers with Go! Wildcats on it. Fun for all the family.
As for the grass roots, my lad can’t get enough cricket now. Everyone gets a bat for 12 balls. Everyone gets a bowl for two overs. They dress in tracksuits and hoodies and everyone falls about laughing. I can’t take it seriously but the kids love it and I remember the times I turned up for six hours and didn’t get a bat or a bowl while the sons of Old Farts enjoyed the majority of both.
Seen the IPL? Never seen anything as gaudy in my life. Yet check the crowds – you have to squeeze them in with a shoe horn.
The difference between this example and horse racing is that horse racing isn’t broken as badly as cricket was and doesn’t need this level of innovation.
On the other hand Max , take a look at the 2 cards served up to racegoers today EaSTER Monday , Yarmouth and Redcar ….a complete 0/60 dross fest ….and you wonder if racing is not broken ,,,plainly it is , we have an inordinate amount of low grade racing , and if someone does not fix that soon , then where will the interest stem from for potential new fans
cheers
Ricky
Placemat, you can rant all you like, but a rant is just a rant without it being underpinned by some reality. Take your assertion here:
The racing in this country isn’t cricket because is too much like cricket.OLD FARTS…..
In the past three years, cricket has been utterly revolutionised by 20/20. Arguably, it has been saved from a slow death.
20/20 was recommended by a group of consultants employed by the, er, Old Farts who immediately implemented the recommendation. The rate of innovation since has been, quite frankly, frightening. And its worked.
Before 20/20, Trent Bridge resembled Tombstone Gulch, with the wind coming in from the Urals, cactus brush blowing across the wicket and the odd obsessive with a Wisden scattered around the cavernous stands.
After 20/20, you’ll be lucky to get a ticket. Pure innovation. You might not like it – I absolutely detest it and wouldn’t be seen dead watching 20/20 – but everyone else loves it. Its cheap, colourful, exciting, minimum effort and you get to wear your big foam fingers with Go! Wildcats on it. Fun for all the family.
As for the grass roots, my lad can’t get enough cricket now. Everyone gets a bat for 12 balls. Everyone gets a bowl for two overs. They dress in tracksuits and hoodies and everyone falls about laughing. I can’t take it seriously but the kids love it and I remember the times I turned up for six hours and didn’t get a bat or a bowl while the sons of Old Farts enjoyed the majority of both.
Seen the IPL? Never seen anything as gaudy in my life. Yet check the crowds – you have to squeeze them in with a shoe horn.
The difference between this example and horse racing is that horse racing isn’t broken as badly as cricket was and doesn’t need this level of innovation.
Lol the use of cricket was just to make the point that it isnt being ran well.Cricket 20/20 is ok but you think county cricket is any good lol????
Lol the use of cricket was just to make the point that it isnt being ran well.Cricket 20/20 is ok but you think county cricket is any good lol????
20/20 Cricket is the equivalent of a FOTB machine designed purely to make money, which is what all this change is about money, money, money imo only of course.
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Ricky, I’d get enthusiastic if they ran mules up our road, with old ladies up top dressed in multi-coloured safety jackets but today is a shocker. An absolute disgrace.
I’d worry if every day was like this – but then, if every day was like this I would never have got into racing in the first place. Its of no interest to anyone.
Yet, the May festivals are on their way. The classics. The Derby. Royal Ascot. Those Haydock Saturdays. Evening racing. People still attend in their hordes, Ricky. That’s what I mean about not being broken as much as people think.
I don’t mean we should stop caring and give up. The Bank Holiday fixture disaster is, as Clive says on another thread, as baffling as any administrative error I’ve ever seen in any sport. I won’t even put on a 50p L15 on this utter drek. Would you?
Do you like cricket? From 1998-2006, the game really was on its back. Who played it? Who thought about it? Who anticipated the matches? Who cared? Nathan, they had no choice whatsoever. They were facing meltdown at every level of participation, bar Test Matches. It was a survival decision. It cost my interest and some traditionalists, but it is hard to argue that they didn’t have to do it.
Placemat, you argued – in a rant – that cricket is run by Old Farts. You are wrong. Cricket is run by innovators. I could continue the argument by saying that they have innovated more than any other sport in history. Any others?
20/20 has worked by why didn’t they do ages ago? Why is county cricket played in front of empty stands?
Ricky, I’d get enthusiastic if they ran mules up our road, with old ladies up top dressed in multi-coloured safety jackets but today is a shocker. An absolute disgrace.
I’d worry if every day was like this – but then, if every day was like this I would never have got into racing in the first place. Its of no interest to anyone.
Yet, the May festivals are on their way. The classics. The Derby. Royal Ascot. Those Haydock Saturdays. Evening racing. People still attend in their hordes, Ricky. That’s what I mean about not being broken as much as people think.
I don’t mean we should stop caring and give up. The Bank Holiday fixture disaster is, as Clive says on another thread, as baffling as any administrative error I’ve ever seen in any sport. I won’t even put on a 50p L15 on this utter drek. Would you?
Do you like cricket? From 1998-2006, the game really was on its back. Who played it? Who thought about it? Who anticipated the matches? Who cared? Nathan, they had no choice whatsoever. They were facing meltdown at every level of participation, bar Test Matches. It was a survival decision. It cost my interest and some traditionalists, but it is hard to argue that they didn’t have to do it.
Placemat, you argued – in a rant – that cricket is run by Old Farts. You are wrong. Cricket is run by innovators. I could continue the argument by saying that they have innovated more than any other sport in history. Any others?
You miss one big point here about the bank holiday fixture!!
People like us care who runs. The mass public don’t give a **** what runs. I used to own greyhounds at Peterborough ,the place was packed,low grade dogs. I used to pop up stairs from time to time to look in the packed bar.Even when the dogs were running most were not evening watching.Open race night at Coventry near a big city empty,great dog racing,nobody there.
Peterborough dog track has the biggest bar in the town and the worst dog racing you’ll ever see but is busy.It gives the great British public what they want.Somewhere to drink. Simply Red are back at Newbury again in the summer because it worked last year. Do you think the racing is what brings in the 20k plus crowd.
Racing is the same.
Problem with county cricket is that it’s hardly an exciting spectator sport for the general public, it’s a tradionalist game and has to be carried by the likes of one day cricket and 20/20 etc but it is still important in the calender for it’s contribution towards test cricket. Most people won’t find the prospect of watching a game you don’t know a lot about for 7 hours seeing a man leave 6 balls with out playing a shot very entertaining. It hardly falls on convenient hours either, on accross the week and if it falls on the weekend most fans will be playing rather than watching and casual spectators have so many other recreational outlets available to them, only the die hards are going to wait around 4 days for a result!
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