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The winners and runners-up from 24th April at Sandown (the day Jack Hobbs won) raced so, according to RP comments;
tracked leading trio – tracked leader
tracked leader – led
pressed leader – held up in last (Here Comes When)
made all – held up in last (Cape Clear Island or whatever that AOB 3yo is called)
tracked leaders – held up (Zeb Un Nisa)
made all – close up
tracked leader – ledSo 11/14 led or raced close up. Chuck in Charlie Hills b!tch!ng about the ground and all in all IMO you get a bunch of results which must be taken with a pinch of salt.
Fwiw, Zeb Un Nisa is a Roger Charlton 3yo entered in a 5f 3yo Listed sprint at York on Thursday. She’s rated 90 & racing against several 10x rated horses, and also has Atzeni booked for the ride (Atzeni & Charlton 2/2 pairing up), so she seems to be very good and I’d expect her to put in a good performance. Watch the race again, she really did get extremely unlucky & it’s very difficult to come off the pace at Sandown, let alone on the ground that day.
On your well argued advice, I’ve taken 20s ZUN with Ladbrokes. Good luck
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Simon Holt has tipped Jack Hobbs for the Dante!
Man the lifeboats
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Red Alert, Warning, Danger
Simon Holt has tipped Jack Hobbs for the Dante!
Man the lifeboats
Lifeboats manned for all to jump on-board Steve, set to sail down Ol’ Man River around 3.15pm :) Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Here’s a picture I took of Ol’ Man River after his Guineas failure, he doesn’t take the eye like Gleneagles did and he wasn’t in the best of spirits after the race although he was perfectly sound, perhaps tomorrow will see him if not the winner at least redeeming his reputation. Great racing ahead I hope he can do it..
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...I’ve decided – Lord Ben Stack wins IMO. Burke won the race a couple of years back & his seasonal debut was a very good race. Have backed at 90 and Dante-Derby double at 500/1.
I’ve decided – Lord Ben Stack wins IMO. Burke won the race a couple of years back & his seasonal debut was a very good race. Have backed at 90 and Dante-Derby double at 500/1.
That’s an ambitious call to say the least. Good luck with that one.
No sign of support for Ol’ Man River, I have seen a few who think he’ll bounce back here but he’s available at 11/1 and that doesn’t look like there’s much confidence. There seems a lack of support for John F Kennedy as well today and he’s out to 9/2 in several places, despite assertions yesterday that the money was coming for him.
Golden Horn has been the one for the money, no surprise really given that John Gosden spoke positively about him in the build up to the race. The horse has done nothing wrong and he’s an interesting prospect but beating Peacock and Disegno in the Fielden is a bit away from top class for the moment.
It’s D-Day for Jack Hobbs, he either has to win this or go down narrowly looking like a mile and a half will suit him better. I would stick with him at 11/4 and wonder if Elm Park is fully wound up and likely to be suited by good ground and perhaps not enough of a test of stamina.
Let’s hope a class act emerges here.
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I’ve decided – Lord Ben Stack wins IMO. Burke won the race a couple of years back & his seasonal debut was a very good race. Have backed at 90 and Dante-Derby double at 500/1.That’s an ambitious call to say the least. Good luck with that one.
No sign of support for Ol’ Man River, I have seen a few who think he’ll bounce back here but he’s available at 11/1 and that doesn’t look like there’s much confidence. There seems a lack of support for John F Kennedy as well today and he’s out to 9/2 in several places, despite assertions yesterday that the money was coming for him.
I think the non-runner (Medrano) has resulted ironically in a general drifting for all the runners, as it takes away the 3rd place for each-way betting and removes the temptation for punters to smash into any of the first 5 in the betting each-way, as only 2 places now.
Golden Horn is the only mitigation, probably because he is Pricewise….though may be general support.I am doing the Ballydoyle reverse forecast – currently pays over 40/1 as I just don’t like Elm Park based on pedigree, head carriage and that awful gallop at Newbury (ugly).
Golden Horn’s form is not so strong for me and this would be the absolute furthest he would want to go I think.
Jack Hobbs might well be good enough but is little value so I will take a chance that Aidan can get one or both of his winter favourites back on song. The price, particularly for Ol Man River is attractive. He could possibly get them both back and that’s why I will try a forecast at a big price.Had a Gosden 1-2 reverse in this one, even though I’m quite wary of Elm Park spoiling the party. But, my main hope is that the 16/1 I got on Jack Hobbs for the Derby still looks great value after the race.
Very nice, Seabird. Well done.
Grey Lion wins the Derby I think. All of ours are sh!t. Unless Sir Isaac Newton does something special on the weekend & turns up at Epsom, the Derby est Français.
Jack Hobbs wins the Leger.
Nice performance from Golden Horn, he had the most speed today. Jack Hobbs couldn’t quite quicken but he put plenty of the others in their place there.
I will say it again, if Aiden O Brien has a Derby candidate in his stable it is Gleneagles. Ol’ Man River was grim and John F Kennedy was absolutely pitiful.
Elm Park put a good effort in but the question remains if Epsom will suit him.
The Derby Betting is an absolute shambles with Golden Horn as low as 3/1 and as high as 20/1 in frenzied alteration of prices.
John F Kennedy at 8/1 is either out of date or out of order, as I said before, Ol’ Man River might as well be 200/1. Geoffrey Chaucer mark two and running him here so soon after his Guineas effort was a mistake in my opinion. Despite O’Brien saying there was no reason for his Guineas flop, there’s always a reason, it just sometimes has to be faced that the reason is that the horse hasn’t trained on.
Unsatisfactory in that the winner was the only horse not to be entered in the Derby. I’d supplement him if he was mine and Frankie must regret picking the wrong one of Gosden’s today.
I think Jack Hobbs would be OK at Epsom and I’d make him favourite if his stable mate doesn’t turn up.
Well done to Golden Horn fans, if you’ve doubled him up I hope you get a run for your money.
Ballydoyle supporting cast? Looked like a bra with no cups or a jockstrap with no strap in terms of support there Gord
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Simon Holt has tipped Jack Hobbs for the Dante!
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Jonah Lewie strikes again
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Gosden obviously thinks he should run. Did I hear Buick say GH had twice the speed of the rest of them? Who knows how much improvement there is to come in this well balanced, calm colt. If he stays, he could scythe them down in the final furlong at Epsom. Given that O’Brien has just said his horses are not quite right the 3s with a run (Betfair), appeals.
Can’t believe people are still going on about O’Brien. Gleneagles is a miler. The dream is over for this year and thankfully the prize is going elsewhere. Plenty of time next year for telling everyone about speculative bets about every Ballydoyle pedigree that wins a maiden.
Fully expect Golden Horn to be supplemented. He looks the one to beat but I wouldn’t be that surprised if Elm Park got a good deal closer. Considering the vibes were not that great he ran really well and you would expect him to improve markedly for the run and step up in distance. Given what is around him Boyles 10/1 looks pretty ridiculous. A drop of rain would help but he showed today he could handle a quicker surface.
Had a Gosden 1-2 reverse in this one, even though I’m quite wary of Elm Park spoiling the party. But, my main hope is that the 16/1 I got on Jack Hobbs for the Derby still looks great value after the race.
Thanks Zarkava. If only I could have had a tricast on that one lol.
Aidan O’Brien scotches any notion of @EpsomRacecourse for Guineas winner Gleneagles: “There’s no way Gleneagles will be going to Epsom.”
Gosden obviously thinks he should run. Did I hear Buick say GH had twice the speed of the rest of them? Who knows how much improvement there is to come in this well balanced, calm colt. If he stays, he could scythe them down in the final furlong at Epsom. Given that O’Brien has just said his horses are not quite right the 3s with a run (Betfair), appeals.
If William Buick thinks Golden Horn has twice the speed of the rest, then Frankie must be a poor judge in opting for Jack Hobbs. He’d ridden both horses, so there’s no excuse for not knowing which horse had the better speed.
John Gosden did say Golden Horn had come on a lot from his first run this year and he must have done quite a bit because Disegno looked nowhere like Derby class last week and he got closer to Golden Horn than Jack Hobbs managed today, when third in the Fielden to today’s winner.
You get the impression it is a battle of wills between John Gosden and the owner over Golden Horn’s best trip with the owner seemingly adamant that 10f is the distance he belongs at. Obviously the £75,000 supplementary fee is no object to a man of Oppenheimer’s means, so will it boil down to whether he is willing to lose face and admit that the trainer knows best?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Aidan O’Brien scotches any notion of @EpsomRacecourse for Guineas winner Gleneagles: “There’s no way Gleneagles will be going to Epsom.”
I hope he enjoys watching his boats sailing up Epsom at a leisurely pace in arrears of the leaders.
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