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None of Fame and Glory’s competitors yesterday apart from Cutlass Bay have won a group one over any distance. I really don’t think the Godolphin horse ran to form as he only beat the pacemaker. I think Fame and Glory is a top class horse, however IMO he is much better over 12f rather than 10f.
JohnJ
Put Glass Harmonium in this race, Fame And Glory would have eaten him up too.
He wasn’t in the race, so that’s a bit of a throw away comment IMO.
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Just wondering, who are these "proper 10f Group 1 horses".
Can anyone name five for me that FAG will have to topple?!
The 5 that beat him in the Champion Stakes might be a start.
Pointless measuring the horse through Sea The Stars either, as he never ever threatened to get him off the bridle. The only horse who ever did (Over more than 1m) was RVW.
He might well win the Coronation too, I’m sure AOB appreciates it’s another generally weak gp1, but sometime this season he’s going to have to meet proper horses – then we’ll see what he’s made of.does anyone know where i can get antepost prices for these races like the prince of wales?
Aye, it looks the kind of desperate 10f gp1 FAG might just scrape home in – still wouldn’t make him a 10f horse though, TAPK.
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purl
Start knitting Reet! I"ll stick to sticking up the "Pearlers"!
Have it your own way Gord,
Now then Reet,its not a case of having it my own way,i just believe
Fame and Glory
is a far better horse than you give him credit for! After he strides clear with that monstrous powerful gait he shows as he winds himself up to full tilt,leaving Youmzain and Sariska in his wake,you might just give him a bit of respect! I am merely a grandstand supporter waving his flag,i enjoy the craic with you,even if you sometimes cant see the Wood from the trees!
So dont you go waving the white flag just yet! Perhaps after he wins the Irish Champion Stakes,you might have too! 
"reet hard" wrote:
Just wondering, who are these "proper 10f Group 1 horses".
Can anyone name five for me that FAG will have to topple?!
The 5 that beat him in the Champion Stakes might be a start.
To be honest I think that race was more of an afterthought than anything else Reet. After getting defeated in the Arc I guess they were looking for some sort of compensation.
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When will people wake up and realise that F&G is not some slowboat horse and is not a rubbish horse. Had nothing to beat but cantered all over then today and will be hard to beat in Cornation Cup and other races.
What are people basing their criticism on??
Ofcourse he’s not a slowboat if kept within his limitations..think Dunguib and you’ll get the jest of what I’m talking about. They can all look good when the oposition amounts to ziltch.
Is form trailed off towards the end of last season. I comfortably think he is better than Sariska anyways. Youmzain aswell runs in the Coronation Cup. Should be exciting
Looks to be going the same route as the ‘Duke’ did and ‘Dylan’ before him…
FAME AND GLORY HAS ASCOT OPTION
By Nick Robson, Press Association Sport
The Prince of Wales’s Stakes has emerged a fascinating option for Fame And Glory after his stroll in the Tattersalls Gold Cup at the Curragh.
Last season’s Irish Derby winner was securing his third Group One on Sunday and is was assumed he next port of call would be the Coronation Cup at Epsom’s Derby meeting.
However, Ballydoyle trainer Aidan O’Brien did mention that might come a little too soon, and the Royal Ascot race over 10 furlongs arrives nearly two weeks later in the calendar.
"Fame And Glory won nicely in the Tattersalls Gold Cup, he will probably go next to either the Coronation Cup at Epsom or the Prince of Wales’s Stakes at Royal Ascot," reported O’Brien on http://www.coolmore.com.
O’Brien also had new of some other stable stars who ran at the Irish Guineas meeting.
"We were really pleased with Steinbeck’s run in the Guineas on Saturday, he came home very strongly and we expect him to improve from the run. We will aim him for the St James’s Palace Stakes at Royal Ascot," he added.
"We were also delighted with Viscount Nelson’s run and he will probably be aimed at the French Derby next.
"Fencing Master was a little disappointing in the race, we feel that he was not quite right. We are going to give him a little break and give him some time to come back to himself.
"Both two-year-olds ran really good races in the Marble Hill Stakes. Samuel Morse will probably go for the Coventry at Royal Ascot and So Stylish could go for the Albany, also at Royal Ascot.
"We were really pleased with Jan Vermeer’s run in the Gallinule, he showed plenty of pace and came home really well despite it being his first run of the season.
"Remember When ran very well in the 1000 Guineas, she might go for the Oaks next.
"Lillie Langtry ran a great race for her first run back, she could go for the Coronation Stakes at Royal Ascot for her next start."Watching the Supreme Novice as a newcomer with no knowledge of the hype I would have to say that Dunguib ran a hell of a race.So I cannot understand that reference.
Mordin on the ‘Aftermath’:
Note – there are weak G1’s run everywhere!
HOLD THOSE BETS ON FAME AND GLORY IN THE CORONATION CUP
As I see it Group 1 races should be genuine championship contests where all the best horses in each division of the sport line up. Right now there are so many Group 1’s the best horses can avoid each other.Fame And Glory certainly looked good winning the race which was made a sufficient test of stamina for him by his pacemaker. But I still say that ten furlongs is not his best distance and that he’ll do better when stepped back up to a mile and a half.
However I’d be wary of taking the short odds currently available ante-post about Fame And Glory for the Coronation Cup over a mile and a half. Only one Tattersalls Gold Cup runner has gone on to contest the Coronation Cup in the past because the races are basically too close together. It’s possible that Fame And Glory will become the second to run in both races, but he ran really fast at the Curragh so it will probably take him a while to get over the race.
Now then Reet,its not a case of having it my own way,i just believe
Fame and Glory
is a far better horse than you give him credit for! After he strides clear with that monstrous powerful gait he shows as he winds himself up to full tilt,leaving Youmzain and Sariska in his wake,you might just give him a bit of respect! I am merely a grandstand supporter waving his flag,i enjoy the craic with you,even if you sometimes cant see the Wood from the trees!
So dont you go waving the white flag just yet! Perhaps after he wins the Irish Champion Stakes,you might have too! Start unfurling the white flag Reet!
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TAPK
"He might well win the Coronation too, I’m sure AOB appreciates it’s another generally weak gp1, but sometime this season he’s going to have to meet proper horses – then we’ll see what he’s made of".
Hardly been placed like a world-beater, has he?
From now on in (if there ever is a now on in) he has to meet proper horses – on yesterday’s performance, he will struggle.Geez, you are one stubborn F****r reet!
Fame and Glory
proved yesterday that he is one proper Group 1 performer who could go through the rest of the season unbeaten, King George, Irish Champion and Arc! Not only did he wind it up like i said he would he clocked a time faster than any Coronation Cup winner i can remember and the best thing about him is he would be even more impressive with a bit more give underfoot! 6/1 for the Arc is Christmas! Sariska would still be my only danger in that given softer conditions as she too is a proper Group 1 filly! Youmzain is just Youmzain and no doubt the Paris Air will bring out the 2nd best of him again!! I shall knock that stubborness out of you yet! Bad thing stubborness and Gambling!
I think its premature to be looking at a coronation cup winner as an arc winner (a race he has already failed in) before we have even seen the Derby and more importantly the french derby tomorrow. Just a thought. The bookies can stick their 6-1, thats laughable, and could change considerably by the end of the weekend.
I think its premature to be looking at a coronation cup winner as an arc winner (a race he has already failed in) before we have even seen the Derby and more importantly the french derby tomorrow. Just a thought. The bookies can stick their 6-1, thats laughable, and could change considerably by the end of the weekend.
Bully,
Fame and Glory
is a different horse to the one who was beaten in last years Arc! (Youmzain is exactly the same),i"m surprised you couldn"t see that!
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