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- September 4, 2010 at 16:07 #315905
So what kind of team tactics did Ballydoyle use today? I thought that Beethoven would be the pace maker.
September 4, 2010 at 16:41 #315906I’ve always though Cape Blance looked more like a stayer, I like the horse a lot, I’d go so far as to say he’s the best middle distance 3-Y-Old in The UK or Ireland.
posted yesterday …..yet I still lost my cash on the race
Yet another superb ride by SeamieSeptember 4, 2010 at 18:31 #315909As for Rip…for such a supposedly good horse…he sure gets beat a lot.
September 4, 2010 at 19:07 #315912Didn’t you also say the 3yo’s were useles CS?
September 4, 2010 at 19:18 #315914
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So what kind of team tactics did Ballydoyle use today? I thought that Beethoven would be the pace maker.
That’s what i thought until i realised that Seamie was gonna test their stamina from the front. Worked a treat too.
Too many excuses for Rip at this level now.
September 4, 2010 at 21:48 #315932What do you mean …"at this level"?
September 4, 2010 at 22:22 #315936
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What do you mean …"at this level"?
Everytime he loses at group 1 there’s excuses.
11 Group 1 races and 3 wins is great. But the 8 he didn’t win was because he just wasn’t good enough.
September 4, 2010 at 22:38 #315940All form now says that he’s about a neck better than Twice Over over 10f. That’s a long cry short of the standard needed to justify claims like ‘I thought he’d go the whole season unbeaten, he’s that good’. He’s always been an incredibly overrated racehorse. The ratings being thrown around after the Sussex were a joke.
September 4, 2010 at 23:13 #315941I dont think Rip Van Winkle has got over his problems and probably has had more problems this year than last year, missed the Lockinge cause he wasn’t fit, came back in the Queen Anne an absolute shadow of what he was capable of, performed worse in the Sussex stakes this year on faster ground, and like the pervious post says can only beat Twice Over by a neck twice.
Last year he was totally destroying the likes of Paco Boy and Twice Over which surely proves he is no where at the level he was this year, if RVW was showing the form he had last year and actually improved he would of beaten everything.
September 4, 2010 at 23:23 #315943I like to take the going into consideration when rating a horse. RVW never acted on yielding to heavy ground. Today was not his ground.Twice Over was highly rated intil RVW beat him.Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.All those behind today are good horses, group one some of them.
September 4, 2010 at 23:31 #315944Hi Big phil, you judge the losses in the light of the wins and not the other way around.Imagine owning a horse that won 3 Group One races.Would you really care what elso he did? Imagine the pleassure of pushing STS to the limit.And that was one of his loses.The Juddmont International is some race to win.Forget the loses and enjoy your winnings.
September 5, 2010 at 12:26 #315979Didn’t you also say the 3yo’s were useles CS?
I don’t think I ever used the word "useless", what I did say that proir to yesterday only one Group race beyond a mile in Ireland had been won by a 3-Y-Old beating older horses…and still not a single one in The UK.
Compare that to previous seasons and that’s way below even poor seasons for any age group in the past.
Credit where credit is due though Seamie stole the race with another suberb ride, I don’t think either Johnny Murtagh or Pat Smullen got the tactics right but even so, the best horse won on the daySeptember 6, 2010 at 02:38 #316089Dar Re Mi retires as the winner of six of her 17 starts and win and place prize money earnings of £2,847,029.And someboidy said that RVW didn’t win enough Group One Races to be any good.
September 6, 2010 at 11:04 #316111Well my Dar Re Mi Arc bets look good now . .
Still adamant Rip NEEDS 12f!
Let him destroy the field at Longchamp Coolmore!
September 6, 2010 at 15:16 #316160I would imagine that the Dar re me bets are moot now.
September 6, 2010 at 15:42 #316165Unless it was a lay
September 6, 2010 at 17:24 #316189
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Looks to me as though Rip and Twice Over simply failed to pick up on the ground. Sometimes, it really is as simple as that.
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