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  • #1768401
    Astralcharmer
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    I notice the Racing Post website has now amended its form record of the race. Earlier today it showed only 13 ran excluding Benvenuto Cellini. It now shows 14 runners with Benvenuto Cellini finishing 10th and a duck egg in his form figures.

    From a future punting point of view it would seem unfair to expunge from the form book the fact he ran the whole race and finished a well beaten 10th on soft ground so I’m glad they have reinstated it.

    #1768402
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    “What about those that laid him? Can’t win but could still lose
    Enough to put you off for life”

    The clowns are probably oblivious to that fact. Which makes harmonisation with other racing countries stupid, as they have different betting systems.

    #1768407
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    What I found even more annoying was when they had to announce the findings of stewards reports, over the winners presentation. Surely they could communicate in some way and say wait the presentation going ahead. It just made it look disorganised

    Vf x

    #1768414
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    The following is taken from the Epsom Stewards’ Report:

    An enquiry was held into the start of this race and the participation of BENVENUTO CELLINI (IRE), drawn 12, ridden by Ryan Moore. The rider and the Starter were interviewed and shown recordings of the start. The Stewards considered that the colt was prevented from starting on equal terms due to its left-hind leg being caught on the running boards shortly before and as the start was effected, materially affecting its chances as the rider was instructed to go forward and race handily which consequently he was unable to do. The Stewards therefore ordered that BENVENUTO CELLINI (IRE) be declared a non-runner.

    It could be inferred that if the intended tactics were for the horse to be held up then the decision would have been different. That doesn’t seem equitable to me.

    #1768415
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    Okay the weather was poor, but for the first time looking at the racing, looking at the attendance I feel racing is being destroyed by people making change for changes sake, and with decision’s like this it seems idiots are in charge.

    I fear for the sport under the supposed guardian’s who are in charge now. The so called initiatives, etc, no good the changes are too disruptive and people are losing interest.

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    “The main problem is what I already wrote in the Derby thread:
    If the starter declares him a NR straight away and the announcement is made within seconds after the start then it is somehow okay. But not minutes after the race has ended.”

    I agree with that Ruby… But it could still cause an issue if the jockey doesn’t pull up straight away and even then he/she may not be happy

    I think being left a couple of lengths a drift from the start isn’t ideal but not a case for calling a N/R unless the horse is pulled up and found injured on examination

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    From what I understood from Luck On Sunday had this been noticed before the stalls opened he would have been taken out and examined. The whole situation has a bad smell to me.

    The more I know the less I understand.

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    And it SHOULD have been noticed. There was a live overhead camera on him. Starter couldn’t see that though as he was up a wooden ladder waving a flag. I’m all for tradition but racing really needs to embrace technology where it can improve process and safety.

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    I think the incident occurred literally a second or two before the stalls opened so no time to take him out, etc.

    I think they’re on a tricky path here. Whose judgement was it that it materially affected his chance? The stewards presumably but it is at best a subjective assessment and done with hindsight after a poor run.

    The horse was clearly a ‘runner’. He got a bad start of his own making but clearly took part.

    If we’re declaring non runners on the back of every stalls incident with stewards judging whether or not the incident materially affected the outcome to ‘protect punters’ we’re on a path which will lead to more issues and disgruntled customers of the sport than would have been the case if they’d left things alone.

    Should only be a non runner if the fault was stalls equipment related (e.g. gate opens late).

    #1768420
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    The cameras were ITVs and not the racecourse, one on the suspect the other on Item.
    Ryan Moore only turned his head and noticed a split second before the gates opened.

    The more I know the less I understand.

    #1768422
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    Without the camera…. they would have asked Ryan about the ride. He’d have said the horse missed the start as he had a leg up at the time the gates opened. The horse didn’t act on the going
    and nothing more would have been said about it

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    #1768423
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    The stalls camera shot shown on ITV around 11 seconds before the gates opened showed there was no issue at that stage. All four feet on the ground.

    Dunshea said the rule was not for World Pool specifically. That suggests to me there may have been undue pressure from World Pool in arriving at the decision including consulting a World Pool ambassador on what his race riding plans were.

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    The cameras were ITVs and not the racecourse, one on the suspect the other on Item.
    Ryan Moore only turned his head and noticed a split second before the gates opened

    Moore noticed too late but anyone viewing the camera could have picked it up in time. If ITV can have overhead cameras on some stalls, why can’t it be standard? No use unless someone is monitoring of course.

    #1768435
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    We really are on a slippery slope here. What about Friendly Soul putting her foot in a dirty great big hole at Haydock.

    Shouldn’t she have been deemed a non-runner as she had no chance of winning the race through no fault of her own?

    I too believe World Pool are beginning to dictate terms on how British racing is run and administered.

    #1768436
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    “Brant Dunshea, BHA chief executive: “This rule change came about as a consequence of the leading nations coming together and agreeing on the preferred method for dealing with horses whose chances are impeded at the start.”

    “Each case has to be dealt with on its own circumstances. This case yesterday is not the first time the stewards have taken this action. What we have to do is protect the punter. We can’t protect everybody, but the principle that underlies having a bet on a race is that they must be entitled to a fair chance for their investment.”

    How lacking in knowledge and/or intelligence is Brant Dunshea?
    The other leading nations he refers to have Tote monopolies, punters in this country lay horses and much as I detest them so do bookmakers. Anyone who laid BC could not win, they could only lose if the horse still won.
    What hope is there with people like Brant Dunshea and Shaun Parker running the sport?

    #1768437
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    “The principle that underlies having a bet on a race is that they must be entitled to a fair chance for their investment”.

    OK, so the next time a horse rears up when the gates open, its punters will all be refunded?

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