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  • #2405
    Daylight
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    We are happy to announce this season’s chosen horse for our syndicate is Tajjree, who is an unraced 3 year-old filly, an ex-Darley stud horse and obviously well bred. She is a short and stocky type, almost certainly a sprinter. She has a very tough and dominating attitude. The trainer will be retaining a share and the lease will run from 1st March 2006 until 31st October 2006 inclusive. Tajjree has already started cantering and will be in full training shortly with a new trainer, Kirsty Boutflower. <br>

    <br>TAJJREE: <br>We only have breeding to go on so far but there is certainly enough in the breeding to get excited about as we’ll be having her for her 3 year old career. <br> <br>Tajjree is a beautifully bred, so far unraced 3 year old filly by Lujain, a top class colt who boasts amongst his racecourse successes a runaway 4 length victory in the Group 1 Middle Park Stakes at Newmarket (leaving Bertolini, another top class performer, trailing in his wake). <br> <br>After retiring at the end of his 3 year old career Lujain made an equally impressive start to his career at stud, being ranked as the second best first season sire in the world, with his first crop of youngsters in 2004 boasting an impressive 23 winners. <br> <br>He has sired Group class horses in both of his crops and given his performance at stud to date he has unsurprisingly been retained by the Maktoum family as a stallion, standing for them via their Darley operation at the Overbury stud in Gloucestershire. <br> <br>Tajjree is a paternal sister to, amongst others, the following top class performers: <br>

    • Mixed Blessing (winner of the Group 3 Princess Margaret Stakes) <br>
    • Classic Encounter (3rd, Group 3 Norfolk Stakes) <br>
    • Stop Making Sense (Listed race winner and multiple Group placings)

    <br>The all important dam’s side of Tajjree’s pedigree is, quite simply, packed with black type performers. <br>

      [*]The filly’s dam is Rateeba, herself owned by Sheik Ahmed Al Maktoum, and used by him as a broodmare at the Darley stud. Our filly is the first horse of racing age to be produced by the dam who is out of Green Desert, a star of the 1980’s and one of the leading sires of his generation. He currently stands at the Shadwell Stud for the “Premier Leagueâ€ÂÂ

      #68487
      davidjohnson
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      Just to provide a little more information, the dam showed no sign of ability in 3 starts for Alec Stewart and Tajjree was sold unraced at Tattersall’s July Sales for just 800 gns.  Without wishing to sound snide or anything like that surely a horse being sold so cheaply with such a decent pedigree must set alarm bells ringing.

      All the best though.

      #68488
      Grey Desire
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      Ok Rateeba showed little but the second dam Wathbat Mtoto was a useful horse for Luca.<br>Celeritas was hardly bred in the purple and look at how well he did for us last season.

      As for the cheap price,look at Burnt Oak.<br>He was bought from Darley for 700 guineas as a 2 year old and has won 2 out of 3 for Chris Fairhurst including the listed bumper at Chelters on News Years Day.

      #68489
      Daylight
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      David,<br>For £80 set fees per month we are not offering a group 1 winner, far from it, we are just covering training costs although Tajjree is probably one of the better bred horses we have had.

      We had similar comments I remember last year regarding Celeritas and he did us proud. It’s a lottery with unraced horses but is that not the dream, that they could be anything as 2 weeks before the royal meeting last year we could have been putting in an entry if he ran into a place on his prep run after being competitive with the leading contenders in the race.

      The Network syndicate is not about getting top class horses and offering a hair, it’s about giving the man/woman on the street a chance to experience racehorse ownership thrills & spills without shelling out a fortune. We have found some competitive animals considering our budgets and hope (like every other owner of an unraced horse) they continue progressing as planned.

      She is a small, compact type (similar to Amelia’s build) which is why I presume she was so unpopular at the sales and I personally think she was a real steal as her price is well worth a gamble as you do with all unraced types no matter what price paid – we were in exactly the same positition last year.

      #68490
      BurroughhillBurroughhill
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      I wish I could afford it but I can’t, BUT of course I wish you the best of luck with her and will follow her progress with the same enthusiasm as I did for Celeritas. :) I’ll look forward to more updates!

      #68491
      Aragorn
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      I’m not sure I can afford it but no need for knocking the effort and potential, DJ. GIve them a break…. Finding the negatives all the time seems a favourite hobby of yours..

      Best of luck Daylight

      #68493
      jackane24
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      Celeritas trained by Gallagher??? By Titus Livius and out of Shahroza???

      #68494
      Gigginstown ManGigginstown Man
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      A WHO is the trainer??

      #68496
      ricky lakericky lake
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      I think this is a great idea , breeding is fab , and 80 quid is very reasonable , lets not knock it folks , after all its fun , and the potential for success is very good

      best of luck to all

      Ricky :biggrin:

      #68497
      Daylight
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      Quote: from jackane24 on 10:54 am on Jan. 26, 2006[br]Celeritas trained by Gallagher??? By Titus Livius and out of Shahroza???<br>

      What is your post about, does it have a point? If it’s in respect to the http://www.network-racing.com site still saying horses for syndication, it’s that it hasn’t been updated to show this years syndicate horse whiich it will be shortly.

      <br>Gigginstown Man,

      A bit of info for you on the trainer of Tajjree:

      TRAINER PROFILE:

      Kirsty has valuable experience within the industry with Luca Cumani’s yard before training in California where she first experienced training a winner. She was Neil Graham’s Assistant Trainer and decided to go it alone after this point. The first few years by her own admission were disappointing before discovering only last season her water supply was severly affecting her horses. The problems were fixed in the spring of 2005 and after that things improved dramiticially with two 2nds and a winner to confirm there was a water problem. Although only a small yard I think Kirsty and Brian’s (assistant trainer) small string will benifit us immensly. Brian has worked with Willie Musson, Clive Brittain, James Fanshawe, Alec Stewart, Willie Jarvis before moving to Germany where he rode for Heinz Jentsch and Erika Mader. Kirsty is based near Wantage, Oxfordshire. <br>

      #68499
      davidjohnson
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      80 pounds per month from 20 investors for an 8-month lease comes to 12,800 pounds. In effect 12 grand for 8 months all inclusive fees after the 800 for the purchase has been deducted. Pro rata that is 16K a year expenses for a horse you don’t even own and if it does prove to be better than it’s purchase price would indicate, long term the only benefactor will be the trainer.

      I’m sorry if you don’t like my views but I really don’t see how any way you dress it up as ‘only 80 pounds a month’ and selling the dream of ownership because the bottom line is, you won’t own the horse and training fees  at around 44 pounds per day for such a trainer seem most excessive.

      #68500
      Daylight
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      Not sure what your problem is here david johnson, is it that trainers earn so much out the game as that really is out of our hands! I can assure you training invoice fees on average are approximately between £1,000 – £1,200 a month with most small trainers as I have 3 years worth of invoices here to prove it!

      Training fees may seem excessive to you but when you consider the hours and special care put in by the stable staff it’s a fair price as a modest business will charge a minimum of £25 per hour for skilled labour to cover all the overheads which I’m sure the trainers do to make their business profitable as your horse will be mucked out, galloped, washed and fed for around £36 a day.

      Alternatively if your having a go because you think I’m creaming it in I can assure you that you could not be further from the truth as I always pick up the losses at the end of the season out of my own pocket and there has been a loss on every horse we’ve ever had (7 to date) in training at the end of the season, bar one. I do this purely because alone I couldn’t afford to own a racehorse as neither could any of the other members, I’m no saint as I don’t do it from the kindness of my heart, I do it because I love being an owner & having a race horse, bragging about "my horse", the days out with it, just like everybody else involved. It’s not an investment as may be thinking, it’s a hobby and like most hobbies there is a price to pay, only a fool would expect something for nothing.

      Not sure about your maths as £80 for a 1/20th share is charged, approx £55 of that goes to the trainer, roughly £15 goes to jockeys & the BHB to let the horse race, leaving us a massive £10 to get rich quick! But wait, what about any VET bills, farriers, medication, transport to the racecourse at around £1.50 a MILE to mention but a few!! It’s £80 as if we fully subscribe the horse it should cover the cost, give or take a few hundred either way but when horses haven’t been fully subscribed we cover the cost, we just wanted to offer a fair set fee.  What gets my back up is when people think we are out to rob the syndicate members blind as that couldn’t be further from the truth!<br>

      #68502
      davidjohnson
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      I’m not casting any aspertions as to your motives or honesty in this venture as I am sure everything you will do regarding it is above board and ethical. I just find it strange that you didn’t think it was relative to point out that the horse was purchased for a mere 800 gns.

      #68503
      Seven TowersSeven Towers
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      Another well known syndicate group charge £89.50 a month for a 1% share in a horse of similar calibre, there are a maximum of 40 shares per horse and the syndicate owners retain a 60% stake in the horse. The syndicates last for 3 years. Run that through your mathsometer DJ! <br>If I had the readies I’d join for the fun of it but an enormous mortgage has put paid to that! :( <br>  The fact that the trainer has only had 1 winner in 5 years isn’t exactly a selling point but I’d imagine people aren’t queueing up to have their horses with her so at least your horse and the owners will get plenty of time and attention. All the experts on here can show her how it’s done! :cheesy:

      #68504
      Daylight
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      DJ<br>I didn’t think it important to publish the price as I thought it obvious we only have modest horses in training from the fees charged. We operate on a small budget and have only ever had in training one horse well valued (who did nothing) all the rest have been small purchases/leases. This horse is leased so cost is irrelivant to Network Racing as we have not shelled out any purchase fees.

      People should check our results on our judgment when choosing a horse, with modest horses we have achieved some reasonable results. Don’t get me wrong some of our previous horses have not lived up to expectations but with over £11k in prize money paid out to the members from 2 wins & 4 places from 33 runs the horses we have in training should say we do something right occasionally with a small budget!

      Last year I published the price the owner said he paid for the horse at a private sale and the racing post said otherwise, I only had one persons word to go and didn’t like that as the private purchase I could not prove. A mistake I will never make again!

      I looked at 3 horses for this years syndicate and choose her despite the other 2 being more expensive purchases, I liked the look of her the best for us. I think she was a great buy in my opinion by the trainer as any win would make a huge profit and ultimately not too much of a gamble for anyone as bear in mind we have & will terminate leases early if the horse isn’t being competative, it’s a very little gamble for us as she may well be nothing but she could be anything with her breeding and she looks a very nice filly to me! A risk all unraced horses take no matter what cost, last year we had a bargin horse beating +£100k horses at HQ, cost means nothing I’ve discovered.

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