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Pretty sad day for Ghanaati supporters. Were we fooling ourselves – is that really as good as she is? She was hanging in the early stages and at no stage did she look like picking up the winner and it is fair to say she pretty much capitulated inside the final furlong. Very difficult to put up the ground as an excuse. Perhaps something may come to light but I wouldn’t be rushing to support her again. Full marks to the winner who to me seemed to benefit from the positive tactics.
3 more runs said Oxx.
Juddmonte
Irish Championand then the Breeders Cup/Arc/Champion
Lets face it Newmarket is the weakest race by far on that calender of 3 races
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Conduit was always holding Tartan Bearer once he got his head in front and had more to call on if needed.
Conduit is a fantastic horse, but Fame And Glory would play with the pair of them and I wouldn’t like to think what Sea The Stars would do to Tartan Bearer over ten furlongs.
Fame And Glory has beaten a gp3 3yo 5l; Conduit has beaten proper gp1 older horses on at least 2 occasions. If the the former ever beats the latter, I’ll take up knitting.
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Forgive me for raining on anyone’s parade, but beating a horse (Paco Boy) that has never won a 1m race against proper gp1 opposition hardly makes RVW the new Pegasus, does it?
RVW and his pacemaker buddy would give STS a lovely tow and nothing more. STS has all moves covered from anywhere in the field.
MDeering , hardly appropriate
Goes to the front three out in a mile race. A ploy? One must go to the front sooner or later in order to win.Certainly frustrated the opposition. Perhaps I am missing something?I’ll tell you what I’m thinking.
Malibu Bay acted as the pacemaker, albeit not a very good one, but this was completely intentional. The jockeys behind the Coolmore duo were led into a false belief that MB would bowl along as normal, drop off and then RVW, Ghanaati, PB take over in a fighting finish.
MB starts to struggle with his pacemaking duties, which is the signal for Murtagh to execute the switch. He quickly slips a couple of lengths on the rest unexpectedly, Ghanaati is left flat-footed as a result.
To everyone else, this is probably a crazy, crazy theory, but for some reason the thought immediate jumped into my mind after the race.
Prepared to give Ghanaati a second chance.
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RVW and his pacemaker buddy would give STS a lovely tow and nothing more. STS has all moves covered from anywhere in the field.
He sure has. Move 1 don’t take on any decent colts over 1m4f. Move 2 whatever you do don’t take Rip Van Winkle on again over a mile 3 Retire him as soon as posible before he gets his bum felt.
If he runs 3 more times this season I’ll retire.
RVW has been firmly put in his place over every classic distance bar the Leger over a three month period and has nothing to prove over a mile where RVW is concerned. It’d be interesting to hear how came to the conclusion that RVW would reverse placings over a mile, when STS has displayed more tactical pace, turn of foot, and staying abilty everytime they’ve met – without a pacemaker too.
Surely more in hope than expectation?
Conduit was always holding Tartan Bearer once he got his head in front and had more to call on if needed.
Conduit is a fantastic horse, but Fame And Glory would play with the pair of them and I wouldn’t like to think what Sea The Stars would do to Tartan Bearer over ten furlongs.
Fame And Glory has beaten a gp3 3yo 5l; Conduit has beaten proper gp1 older horses on at least 2 occasions. If the the former ever beats the latter, I’ll take up knitting.
Fame And Glory ran Sea The Stars to 1 3/4L at Epsom.
Conduit was a well beaten 5 1/2L third behind Sea The Stars at Sandown, albeit ‘giving’ 11lbs. Many will argue that was over an inadequate trip, but Conduit wasn’t closing at the finish – quite the opposite, in fact.
STS and RVW have proven their superiority over Conduit and I rate Fame And Glory in the same league, if not better over 12F.
The weight-for-age allowance (about 8lbs I think) in the Arc leaves Conduit with it all to do.
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RVW has been firmly put in his place over every classic distance bar the Leger over a three month period and has nothing to prove over a mile where RVW is concerned. It’d be interesting to hear how came to the conclusion that RVW would reverse placings over a mile, when STS has displayed more tactical pace, turn of foot, and staying abilty everytime they’ve met – without a pacemaker too.
Surely more in hope than expectation?
You must be kidding? RVW has improved again for the drop in distance. He damn near beat Sea the Stars at Sandown and would definitely finished much closer had he not hung like a pig..
He showed absolutely no signs of hanging yesterday nor did he hit a flat spot like in the Guineas and Derby.
He would have a great chance if they met over a mile and I would have my goolies on him to do so.
Over 1m2f I wouldnt be confident but if I thought the pace was going to be moderate I would risk backing him although not to the extent I would over a mile.
BTW if I logged on tomorrow and read RVW was going to join StS and Mastercraftsman at York it wouldn’t surprise me one bit
Maybe he didn’t hang because there was no horse he couldn’t pass in front of him. The ‘improvement’ Rip showed is only your opinion, not fact – the Eclipse was an excellent run on a par with the Sussex in mine, beating all but an outstanding 3yo easily.
You previously asked for the form to be franked regarding Sea The Stars Fist – it well and truly has now. Best 3yo for many a year surely, these so called ‘fortunate’ wins (i’ve read on here the following – possibly all from yourself, other Guineas horses undercooked, Derby ran slowly, Eclipse runner-up hung, Eclipse 3rd undercooked) are racking up some absolutely bomb-proof form.
If Sea The Stars is "best in a decade" category, then RVW and FAG must be very good horses as well.
I subscribe to the above.
It is getting a bit monotonous and dreary people saying the 3yos are no good, Sea The Stars is no good, Rip Van Winkle is no good, Fame And Glory is no good, Conduit is no good, etc., the Guineas is poor, the Derby is poor, the Arc is poor etc.
There seems to be a syndrome by which people can only say such and such is a good horse, by knocking the other horses – including the horses that such and such beat, but because the horses he beat were no good, then he is no good either.
This years three year old colts are clearly very, very good. How that is disputable I’m struggling to figure out to be honest.
What a season this is…we have a superstar 3yo in Sea The Stars.
A cracking 2yo who then wins the first two classics and follows up the Eclipse in an astonishing time…within a month the 2nd and 3rd at Sandown dance up in the Sussex Stakes and King George respectively.So he bestrides his world then? … Well somehow no, in fact bizarrely, he has the faint air of the hunted, rather than the hunter, about him.
Supreme in an atypical Derby (I agree with those who suspect that John Oxx never had a taste for a return to 12f), Fame and Glory looks a formidable foe at that trip. But curiously the drop to 8f (perhaps the QEII) suddenly looks a lot less attractive with the Ripper awaking from his slumbers and blocking the way.10f then…but Ballydoyle have another multiple G1 winner in MCM primed for a crack at the Knavesmire and both FAG and RVW ready to step up/down at Leopardstown and Newmarket.
In 30 years of following the sport I cannot remember such a perilous approach to the end of his 3yo season for such a worthy and predominate champion.
The 2009 flat season…where else would you rather be?
The 2009 flat season…where else would you rather be?
The 2010 Festival.
I’m simply stunned by the reaction to the 3yos. Rip Van Winkle outstays Paco Boy (the ‘wonder filly’ and dual-Group 1 winner beat the Royal Hunt Cup winner by 1 length in the same race) and gets a 134 rating by Timeform (equal to Hurricane Run, Sinndar and Galileo) and is hailed as the best horse on the planet while Fame And Glory has done nothing but beat inferior Ballydoyle stablemates who have constantly let the form down.
I had been going to write at some stage that the only things FAG has done wrong in his career is coming 2nd in the Derby and Johnny Murtagh and Fist not liking him. Looks like I’ll have to expand that list.
The time set by Rip Van Winkle was nothing short of superb, he surely would have won last years renewal also, you had Major Cadeaux and Winker Watson in close proxmity last year who were behind Paco Boy who blew his chances at the start in the Lockinge.
Surely showed the time set in the Eclipse which also was freakishly fast was no fluke.
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